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stockholmer

(3,751 posts)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 07:32 AM Jun 2012

Bill Moyers & Co.: Matt Taibbi and Yves Smith (tangled web of banks and government)



Rolling Stone's Matt Taibbi and Yves Smith of the website Naked Capitalism

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The Scam Wall Street Learned From the Mafia: How America's biggest banks took part in a nationwide bid-rigging conspiracy - until they were caught on tape

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-scam-wall-street-learned-from-the-mafia-20120620

Someday, it will go down in history as the first trial of the modern American mafia. Of course, you won't hear the recent financial corruption case, United States of America v. Carollo, Goldberg and Grimm, called anything like that. If you heard about it at all, you're probably either in the municipal bond business or married to an antitrust lawyer. Even then, all you probably heard was that a threesome of bit players on Wall Street got convicted of obscure antitrust violations in one of the most inscrutable, jargon-packed legal snoozefests since the government's massive case against Microsoft in the Nineties – not exactly the thrilling courtroom drama offered by the famed trials of old-school mobsters like Al Capone or Anthony "Tony Ducks" Corallo.

But this just-completed trial in downtown New York against three faceless financial executives really was historic. Over 10 years in the making, the case allowed federal prosecutors to make public for the first time the astonishing inner workings of the reigning American crime syndicate, which now operates not out of Little Italy and Las Vegas, but out of Wall Street.

The defendants in the case – Dominick Carollo, Steven Goldberg and Peter Grimm – worked for GE Capital, the finance arm of General Electric. Along with virtually every major bank and finance company on Wall Street – not just GE, but J.P. Morgan Chase, Bank of America, UBS, Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns, Wachovia and more – these three Wall Street wiseguys spent the past decade taking part in a breathtakingly broad scheme to skim billions of dollars from the coffers of cities and small towns across America. The banks achieved this gigantic rip-off by secretly colluding to rig the public bids on municipal bonds, a business worth $3.7 trillion. By conspiring to lower the interest rates that towns earn on these investments, the banks systematically stole from schools, hospitals, libraries and nursing homes – from "virtually every state, district and territory in the United States," according to one settlement. And they did it so cleverly that the victims never even knew they were being ­cheated. No thumbs were broken, and nobody ended up in a landfill in New Jersey, but money disappeared, lots and lots of it, and its manner of disappearance had a familiar name: organized crime.

In fact, stripped of all the camouflaging financial verbiage, the crimes the defendants and their co-conspirators committed were virtually indistinguishable from the kind of thuggery practiced for decades by the Mafia, which has long made manipulation of public bids for things like garbage collection and construction contracts a cornerstone of its business. What's more, in the manner of old mob trials, Wall Street's secret machinations were revealed during the Carollo trial through crackling wiretap recordings and the lurid testimony of cooperating witnesses, who came into court with bowed heads, pointing fingers at their accomplices. The new-age gangsters even invented an elaborate code to hide their crimes. Like Elizabethan highway robbers who spoke in thieves' cant, or Italian mobsters who talked about "getting a button man to clip the capo," on tape after tape these Wall Street crooks coughed up phrases like "pull a nickel out" or "get to the right level" or "you're hanging out there" – all code words used to manipulate the interest rates on municipal bonds. The only thing that made this trial different from a typical mob trial was the scale of the crime.

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Dimon Plays Humpty Dumpty to Congress

“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.”
“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master— that’s all.”

-Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland


http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/06/dimon-plays-humpty-dumpty-to-congress.html

The House Financial Services Committee hearings on the losses in JP Morgan’s Chief Investment Office were an improvement over the Senate version, in that there was comparatively little fawning over Jamie Dimon and more earnest, even if not very successful, efforts to pry information from him (one wonders whether the fact that Chuck Schumer has been hitting Wall Street up for superPac donations was a contributing factor). Even some Republicans got a bit stroopy with him, including the Representative from Bank of America, Patrick McHenry.

But to anyone who knows bupkis about finance, the striking thing was how many times Dimon gave sloppy to downright dishonest answers. And they didn’t have the feel of the kind of careful word parsing that Goldman execs did when under Congressional hot lights in 2010, of people who’ve been scripted and rehearsed to give very narrow answers and duck anything that will put them on rocky ground. While there was nothing wrong with Dimon’s manner, our buddy Amar Bhide was right when he called Dimon’s answers Orwellian. He played remarkably fast and loose with words and definitions. It was disrespectful, but not in a way that anyone could have called him out on it. The five minute limit on questions made it impossible to do the sort of questioning it would have taken to nail down Dimon’s misrepresentations.

Let’s give a few examples of Dimon’s crude propaganda efforts. I wish I had a transcript; I’m working from rough notes, and some of the memorable howlers were quick asides.


At one point, Dimon tried calling making loans proprietary. This was an effort to insinuate that the Volcker Rule’s efforts to ban proprietary trading would interfere with core banking businesses.

Brad Sherman presented Dimon with the results of an IMF study (via Bloomberg) that showed that JP Morgan had lower funding costs due to its implicit government guarantee. Dimon responded by arguing that single A industrial companies pay less for funds than his AA rated bank. Huh? Industrial company funding costs are completely irrelevant and Dimon knows this. It’s a “blow smoke” answer.

McHenry argued that the Dodd Frank orderly liquidation authority preserved too big to fail. I happen to agree because I’ve gotten estimates that 30% to 50% of JP Morgan’s derivatives contracts are under UK law, and therefore the FDIC could not override their termination or cross default clauses if it tried putting the parent into liquidation and keeping the subsidiaries going. Since derivatives are booked in the depositary, it’s hard to see how the FDIC can stop derivatives not under US law being terminated or subject to higher haircuts as a result of a parent company resolution, and that not producing a risk of a run on the depositary (which is what the OLA was meant to avoid). McHenry then asked for Dimon to discuss the difference between OLA and bankruptcy. There’s a considerable difference, but Dimon dissed McHenry (whose poorly worded question gave Dimon too much rope) by telling him he saw them as the same.

Dimon (annoyingly) kept claiming the failed trade was a hedge. That’s only because Dimon uses a wildly personal definition of what a hedge is: something to protect you from Bad Things Happening. No, that is either a reserve or insurance. A hedge is a position taken to reduce or limit losses in a position you already have. And he kept promoting the dubious idea that portfolio hedging should include bets against systemic risks (Dimon kept presenting hedging against systemic risk as if it was a unitary phenomenon).


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fasttense

(17,301 posts)
1. Well worth listening to. Thanks for posting.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 08:21 AM
Jun 2012

It just amazes me that though the politicians who made these bad loans for their towns, cities and states because they were bribed, some have even gone to jail, but the bad debt is still being paid off.

If a con man cons me and gets me to sign a bad contract through illegal means, and I prove it in court and he goes to jail, the contract is not considered a legal document and I don't have to follow through with it. Yet towns, cities and states are required to honor these bad debts made through illegal means. It makes no sense. Why don't they just wipe the debt off their books because they were defrauded?

barbtries

(28,807 posts)
2. good question.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 09:21 AM
Jun 2012

i think that's covered in the interview. we are not ready yet to call it what it is: criminal behavior. because then we would have to go through a painful restructuring and the system doesn't have the stomach for that. yet. i also believe it will happen i just don't know when, probably not in my lifetime, and especially i don't know the ultimate price that will be paid by the 99% before it happens.
our country is being run by sociopaths.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
5. a painful restructuring and the system doesn't have the stomach for that.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 11:06 AM
Jun 2012

Unlike the "restructuring", that was neither painful or sans stomach, that the Repugs put in place with Reagan.

What does it say when going back to Glass-Steagall and merely asking regulators to actually regulate is "too painful"?

barbtries

(28,807 posts)
6. yeah.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 11:33 AM
Jun 2012

i can't argue with that. let's say for the powers that be it's currently too painful to even contemplate. they're doing so well after all.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
7. Yeah, I remember that part, thanks for reminding me.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 11:38 AM
Jun 2012

But in that respect I don't agree with them. I think the majority of US citizens have the stomach for it, but the corporate elite who have control of our government do not. If we could just get rid of those CEOs, Wall Street executives and bank presidents who make up the corporate elite, we the people could easily fix most of the problems in our country. By getting rid of them, the criminals in control of huge expanses of stolen wealth (much like getting rid of a mob boss), we could overwhelm the politicians and force them to do our bidding. Much like it recommends in the preamble to the US Constitution.

As I see it, the uber wealthy who control our government have to go. They are kings just as brutal as George was. If they are not removed our entire nation will suffer even more. How to do that? There in lies the rub.

barbtries

(28,807 posts)
9. i agree.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 12:04 PM
Jun 2012

i think there will be a tipping point. i don't think it will end peacefully necessarily. or bloodlessly. but the current model is definitely unsustainable.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
3. Dimon deserves
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 10:31 AM
Jun 2012

to have his balls lain on an anvil and then apply the sledge. Instead he get the fawning Republicans and the molly coddling Dems. Corruption and crime through and through.

 

stockholmer

(3,751 posts)
10. Dimon was re-appointed to another term as Class-A director of the NY Federal Reserve
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 01:53 PM
Jun 2012

Bernie Sanders has a bill called The Federal Reserve Independence Act that seeks to bar bankers from sitting as directors of the regional Fed banks.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s3219/news_blogs

So far only 2 other Senators (Barbara Boxer and Mark Begich) have signed on. It has been referred (read buried) to the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs, with no action on it scheduled.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
4. Excellent Reporting And Service To Us All Via Bill Moyers
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 10:52 AM
Jun 2012

Basically, the message is that Wall Street is worse than you can imagine when it comes to ripping off America.

 

stockholmer

(3,751 posts)
11. Wall St totally backed/protected by both parties in Congress, the Fed, the White House, & the media
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 02:09 PM
Jun 2012

Not one major controlling Wall Street executive has been prosecuted to date, despite trillions in fraud, manipulation, and outright theft. Be it Goldman Sach's sub-prime tranche-stacking of toxic mortgages, systemic control fraud of liar loans and robo-signing, MF Global's stealing of customer accounts (to give to JPMorgan), not one major trial. Lower level stooges hung out to dry, yes, but the big players skate, and actually profit by the billions.

The fish rots from the head down.




Bernie Sanders: Fed Members Gave Their Own Banks $4 Trillion In Secret Bailouts

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/06/14/fed-members-gave-banks-4-trillion-secret-bailouts-146821/

Last Year Senator Bernie Sanders reported a long overdue audit of the Federal Reserve revealed an eye-popping $16 trillion in secret loans to bailout out Wall Street banks.

Bernie Sanders has now reporting that 18 Federal Reserve Board Members gave their own banks $4 trillion of these secret bailouts in the form of loans with nearly zero interest.


From the documents released, I put together this list of the offenders:



Firm

Bailout amount



Citigroup

$2.5 Trillion



Goldman Sachs

$814 Billion



JP Morgan

$391 Billion



Lehman Brothers

$183 Billion



State Street Corporation

$42 Billion



KeyCorp

$40 Billion



Marshall & Ilsley

$21 Billion



Citibank

$21 Billion



General Electric (GE)

$16 Billion



Sun Trust

$7.5 Billion



PNC

$6.5 Billion



Texas Capital Bank

$2.3 Billion



Webster Bank

$2.2 Billion



Popular Inc

$1.2 Billion



Wilmington Trust

$550 Million



LegacyTexas

$5 Million


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truth2power

(8,219 posts)
8. At about the 23:40 mark, Matt says that these guys think they have
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 11:39 AM
Jun 2012

some special genius and that they believe they've actually 'earned' their money. Then Moyers goes on to raise the issue of sociopathic behavior.

If you can put your hands on the book, "Without Conscience" by Robert D. Hare, PhD, you'll see the same kind of cold-blooded and casual demeanor on the part of the psychopaths Dr. Hare interviewed in the prison system.

Dimon, Blankfein et. al. are every bit as mentally ill as the serial killers who prey on lone women in the dark of night, and they shouldn't be allowed in the general populace any more than the Jeffrey Dahmers or the Ted Bundys.

Dimon, Balnkfein and their ilk are killers, too, albeit several steps removed.

Furthermore, the repulsive fellating of Mr. Dimon by our congress critters can be compared to the groupies/fans who often show up at the trials of serial killers, seemingly transfixed by looking into the face of pure evil.

WHEN are these people going to brought before the bar of justice??

drynberg

(1,648 posts)
12. HERE'S A GREAT "TEACH-IN" MOMENT FOR OCCUPIERS AND THE REST OF US
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 06:40 PM
Jun 2012

We must seize the attention of the Congress & W.H. that can "trump" the 35,000 slick & very well paid liars/salesfolks. So, it starts with the 99% watching films such as this Moyer conversation with Matt & Eve about what's really happening, then work out strategies that can stop this swine-herd corruption that has borrowed a page from Tony Soprano. Including the violence, 'cuz it's awfully violent in my meager opinion to see large % of Americans (kids too) go to bed hungry, sleeping in the cold without hope of a better day...that's nasty. This is what we need to remember when we start paying close attention to what's happening and then brainstorm positive solutions. Not easy, or it'd already be done, but we gotta do it starting NOW.

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