CNN: Sanders Supporter Discusses How She Will “Never” Vote For Clinton

[dana_b]

I know that this will probably be alerted on and maybe hidden, but this is why people cannot/will not vote for Hillary.

When the pro Hillary woman comes on and insults both Bernie and his supporters by saying that he is simplistic, it puts people off of Hillary more.

[merrily]

1. Which olive branch is Hillary offering us again?

Hint: "I REALLY want to be the first woman President, so vote for me" is not an olive branch.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

2. So if your feelings arent "just right", everybody who will be harmed by GOP

can go to hell?

[Kalidurga]

4. Would you rather fight the enemy or a pretend friend?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

5. What in the world does that even mean? Do you believe the GOP will or wont purposely

harm American women and minorities, yes or no?

[Kalidurga]

6. I believe the GOP is a cancer on the nation.

Most people will get help when they have cancer. But, if a friend poisons them they won't even suspect they have a fight on their hands.

[MFM008]

29. dont count on it

Your enemies are in your own minds.

[2naSalit]

81. ^^THIS^^

[Paka]

70. Thank you!

[cui bono]

10. Hillary already has harmed minorities and has stated she will compromise on a woman's right

to control her own body.

So what was your point again?

.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

12. So you are also telling Planned Parenthood to go to hell, got it.

[cui bono]

24. What a mature and articulate response. And irrelevant. Nothing to do with what I said in the least.

But it makes for a nice false headline for the skimmers to read. I guess you count on low information people who don't bother to read, like Faux News does. But then maybe you didn't bother to read either. It's either you purposely lying about what I said or you didn't bother to read it.

What a great way of reaching out you have there. I'm sure you'll get tons of Sanders supporters to vote for Hillary should the need arise.

.

[Enthusiast]

115. Huge +1!

[A Simple Game]

95. Planned Parenthood knows where it's bread gets buttered.

With single payer health care there would be a greatly reduced need for Planned Parenthood. But you should have known that if you did your homework about the candidates, their proposals, and the consequences of the proposals.

In short, Planned Parenthood doesn't think Hillary would be better for us, Planned Parenthood thinks Hillary would be better for Planned Parenthood. Big, big, difference.

[billhicks76]

60. Hillary...Where Hope Hoes To Die

I hope all the centrist party people here apologize later for ruining a once in a lifetime chance to actually change things. Their argument before was ALWAYS electability. That was disproven but they still cling to nominating someone selfish and self-entitled that sold out long ago. When we enter another war and preserve the war on the 99% at home and they see nothing has changed we will expect an apology then.

[cui bono]

63. Yep. And if Hillary makes it to the GE and loses it will be on them for shoving a flawed, Third Way

corporate candidate down our throats at a time when the people of this country are ready to fight TPTB and get back to a real democracy that is of, by and FOR the PEOPLE.

.

[billhicks76]

67. Bernie Should Be Selected As VP

Hillary's buddy Bush Sr was forced onto the Reagan 1980 Tik to eliminate bad feelings from a harsh campaign. Or really more because Bush Sr was CIA and would kill Ronny if he didnt play ball. Nothing has changed.

[cui bono]

71. But they would only do that to silence him.

He wouldn't be able to continue the fight as VP. And he would be perceived as a sell out, which is why I believe he would never in a million years take the position. And Hillary would never offer it in a brazillion years.

And I was going to edit my post above to add that even if Hillary makes it to the GE and wins, it will still be her supporters fault for stalling the people's fight for equality. And all the bad decisions and policy that Hillary will bring will be on them.

.

[RiverNoord]

92. And, as Americans, we won't have any way to fight that?

If one person in the White House can do so much damage to American women and minorities, and we can't ameliorate that damage both by active and aggressive opposition and by spending time, energy, and money, for those of us who can spare some, then the Republic may already be lost.

I decided a long time ago, well before Bernie declared his candidacy, that I could not cast a vote to help Hillary Clinton become President of the United States. There are a good many lifelong Democrats who find themselves in this position, and we haven't been evasive or unclear about it. Does it make sense that, should Clinton become the nominee, we now are the ones who must get in line and vote in a way that we believe to be fundamentally wrong? We haven't been the slightest bit vague, and now we are being lectured on how sticking to our positions means voting for someone like Donald Trump?

Nope - the opposite is true. It's long past time for the Hillary Clinton's campaign to grow up and face the reality that a great many citizens of the United States see it for what it is - a long-term collaboration between wealthy investors and skilled sculptors of public imagery. It's unaccountable to anyone but its own participants, and they are fully prepared to make the most of the opportunities afforded them should we simply hand them what they've been after for so long.

Ask yourself one question. Does it make any sense at all to accept a permanent condition where it simply does not matter what agendas Democratic candidates bring to office because the Republican alternatives appear so much horribly worse? What that would mean (and has meant), is, that regardless of a Democratic candidate's overall likely agenda, if that candidate can simply say that she/he is against racism, sexism, and homophobia, the criteria for voting for the candidate is satisfied. We just have to get OK with the rapid erosion of other (former, it seems) key principles of our party.

Where does that end? Does it ever? Do we simply stop pretending and officially grant the power to nominate all political candidates to the top 500 business interests in the United States, foreign and domestic? Proportional representation that shifts based on the past 4 years' stock values? Sound ridiculous? It isn't. We're getting closer all of the time, and the likely Democratic nominee for the office of the Presidency and her husband are major players.

That is what's really at stake here. And if you think women and minorities will benefit in any way from a future tipping toward corporate hegemony, you need to look further than the next 4 or 8 years. Well... maybe not much further, given what's in motion.

[hopemountain]

106. +++1k^^^

agreed!

[Peace Patriot]

112. Excellent post, RiverNoord! Thank you!

[Silver_Witch]

124. Thank you RiverNood!!!

Words in wish I had the skill to articulate. Thank you.

[oregonjen]

147. Yes! Excellent post! This should be a new op.

This right here...

"I decided a long time ago, well before Bernie declared his candidacy, that I could not cast a vote to help Hillary Clinton become President of the United States. There are a good many lifelong Democrats who find themselves in this position, and we haven't been evasive or unclear about it. Does it make sense that, should Clinton become the nominee, we now are the ones who must get in line and vote in a way that we believe to be fundamentally wrong? We haven't been the slightest bit vague, and now we are being lectured on how sticking to our positions means voting for someone like Donald Trump?

Nope - the opposite is true. It's long past time for the Hillary Clinton's campaign to grow up and face the reality that a great many citizens of the United States see it for what it is - a long-term collaboration between wealthy investors and skilled sculptors of public imagery. It's unaccountable to anyone but its own participants, and they are fully prepared to make the most of the opportunities afforded them should we simply hand them what they've been after for so long."

[JPnoodleman]

98. purposely? Look, nobody is evil here

I dislike and disagree with conservative policy but you are acting like they are Vampires or Orcs out of Mordor sitting in some evil castle plotting dark and evil shit, twirling their evil mustache and laughing maniacally as they ponder their dark satanic schemes.

That is so cartoonish that I laugh at anyone who literally thinks in such stark black and white terms.

[hopemountain]

107. no? then explain

the increase in jobless, homeless, poverty, hunger, water-air-land-ocean pollution/toxicity, skyrocketing incarceration of people of color, frankenfoods, skyrocketing costs of medical care and prescriptions, citizens united, disenfranchising working class and voters of color, corporations with more rights and protections written into law than for citizens, .... et al

[merrily]

7. You just replied to me on another thread. Are you following me around the board now?

You personal comments are presumptuous and lame. If personal comments that you make up are all you've got, you should stop embarrassing yourself.

FYI: If the headline says she's offering an olive branch, I have every right to ask what olive branch she is offering or whether the headline is usual media bullshit.

BTW, Solid Bernie Supporter, do you want to link to a post of mine saying any of the words you've been trying to put in my mouth for weeks?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

9. I have responded to you twice, now a 3rd time...If you are not someone who

would even for one second hesitate voting for the Democrat, then why are you arguing with me?

[merrily]

20. What the hell does responding to your personal attacks on me and on Sanders supporters have to do

with how I vote?

Please try much harder to make posts that are honest and logical.

Any link yet?

[shakedown1970]

41. This isn't about Team D!

We will not vote for her because she is a corrupt warhawk. She is the enemy in disguise. What do you not get about this? We are done with corruption, corporate dominance, kissing Wall Street's ring, and politicians who are in it for their own enrichment and glory. Not to mention she has the lowest favorability ratings of any democratic nominee ever because of the things I just named. Grow up and stop voting for a team and vote for the end of this corrupt system.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

45. GOP vote instead, got it. Might as well.

[snort]

83. You bet.

I'm not voting for more of the same. I know how to not vote as well. I'm not fond of my own position, but it is what I must do. She has taken money from the very same set of characters that led to my street being peppered with foreclosures and my family losing their home, on a 20 year old loan, because of the massive fraudulent fuck-a-roo, which her pandering has tacitly stated that she's all for it. SHE TOOK THE MONEY. She didn't have to do that. It is an abuse of power and potential.

It is time for a major shift in the way this country operates. Right now there is no Democracy here. I agree with President Carter: It's an Oligarchy.

[sus453]

85. Yes!

[merrily]

111. Jury voted 7-0 to leave Sorry about the typo in the first sentence of the body of the post, btw.

That should have said "Your personal comments," not "You personal comments."

You just replied to me on another thread. Are you following me around the board now?
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[Elmer S. E. Dump]

22. I actually trust Herr Drumpf more than I do the Clinton Machine.

I won't apologize and you can't shame me. I don't want anybody to "go to hell" as I don't believe in fairy tales. People will vote their conscience in November. I know I will!

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

31. I know you are, but what am I?

[MFM008]

33. keep the sour grapes

My guy isnt winning so there.
I showed you other guys.

[KansDem]

34. This one?

Our Dove weather vane is a swell-bodied figure with outspread wings, and an olive branch in its beak.

[merrily]

37. zomg

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

43. I prefer this as the "weathervane" logo.

[KansDem]

46. !!

I quite agree...

on edit: Kinda looks like Lloyd Blankfein off to a meeting with HRC...

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

50. Not a care in the world! Boy are they in for a surprise!

[ozone_man]

82. Doing God's work

and Hillary's.

[thereismore]

36. The olive branch made in the shape of a cattle prod. nt

[Enthusiast]

114. Huge +1!

[merrily]

116. Thanks! Can you imagine if the media had slung that kind of bs on behalf of Bernie for the past year

Or even if they had covered both of them fairly? WOW!

[Enthusiast]

120. It was so completely unfair from the start. It continues to be unfair.

[TekGryphon]

131. Hillary and the Democratic Party should offer NOTHING until Sanders proves his support of the...

... progressive movement.

I don't give a flying f*** about Hillary. Hillary will smash Trump regardless.

But there's THOUSANDS of down-ticket progressives struggling against conservatives in races across the country. THAT'S the Progressive Movement.

I want to see if Bernie can leverage his national fame to generate turnout and money for those down-ticket progressives.

Or if he abandons the movement the moment he realizes his face isn't going to be on the poster, the way so many of his first-time progressive followers are threatening to do.

[djean111]

134. The reason the down-ticket Progressives are struggling is because Debbie Wasserman-DINO

does not like to support them. Down here in Florida, DWS will let a GOP crony run unchallenged, rather than support a progressive. She will openly campaign for GOP buddies. DNC needs to clean its own reeking tent.

Bernie sends us lists of down-ticket progressives that we can directly contribute to. Or tells which Progressive he will split a contribution with. DWS takes money and washes it right into Hillary's campaign fund. See the problem? And if you believe that progressives should only be supported by Bernie and his supporters - then what the fuck do we need the DNC for anyway? To funnel money to Hillary? To be used against Bernie? Fuck that.

In addition, no one progressive or liberal believes anything Hillary and the DNC would offer, anyway. Hillary was clear in her contempt.

I am sure Bernie will somehow manage to keep going, as will we all, in spite of your disapproval.

[merrily]

136. Yeah, your post is talking about something else entirely. The story claims Hillary has

already offered the supporters of Sanders (not Sanders himself) an olive branch (so they'll vote for her). I am trying to figure out what that olive branch consisted of, or whether this is typical media bullshit.

[guillaumeb]

3. Sanders is the true progressive of the two.

What is simplistic is when HRC surrogates, and the candidate herself, dismiss truly progressive positions as unattainable because they are too radical, or not realistic.
Recommended.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

30. The worst kind of lie. Impossible only if we let them remain in control.

them = the powers that be, ie., the fascists.

[appalachiablue]

91. Emily and her folks at the Ctr. for American Progress need to caucus

about overused spin and talking points, as in simplistic. When Nia-Malika Henderson, CNN senior political reporter said Sanders spoke on a ninth grade level with a smirk after election wins a month ago that was rotten and she knew it. Yawn.

There are scores of programmed young women who speak and appear the same way, in the Belly of the Beast/DC. Just how it is.

[TekGryphon]

130. That remains to be seen.

If Sanders is willing to get out there and use his national fame to drive energy and money towards progressive down-ticket candidates, then I will consider him a "true progressive".

As of right now, though, he has not done that. Everything he has done has been for himself. Let's see if that changes.

[world wide wally]

8. I somehow don't think it will be Hillary vs Bernie in the general election, but your pride should

Get you a long way in Trump World.

Good luck, and thanks for being so onsiderate of the rest of us.

[xloadiex]

27. No, thank you for trying to push someone as disliked as Hillary

on the rest of us.

[world wide wally]

38. I have not pushed anyone on you

I will be making the exact same choice that you all will have.
I'm just not stupid or too proud

[Trajan]

11. Olive branch?

More like a hickory branch ....

Um ... Hillary? ... Go to _________ ....

[surrealAmerican]

26. It's what was once called a "switch".

I like this young woman - she's smart and she knows what she's about.

[2pooped2pop]

13. she knows where she can put her olive branch

too little, too late. Would not accept anything from such a dishonest person. Hillary sucks.

[MattP]

14. So you would rather have Trump or Cruz as president

Because Bernie is more progressive than Hillary even the movement is called Bernie or Bust, Bust the country cause I didn't get my way

[IdaBriggs]

101. Yes, we are all incorrigible. If you want to avoid a Trump or Cruz

presidency, better get on board the Bernie bus because we are all super irresponsible politically naive young fools who just can't be trusted to understand how much Her Majesty would benefit the world.

on all the insults Hillary supporters have been throwing

[Ned_Devine]

15. That Bernie supporter stated her case perfectly with great facts

Awesome on her!

[dana_b]

16. yes hse did, she was awesome

especially when she mentioned the Honduras and Haiti. The pro Hillary woman didn't even respond to that.

[felix_numinous]

17. The condescension, insults are palpable

this woman had to sit and hear the word SIMPLISTIC?

Why don't HRC people think they have to be respectful to potential supporters? I find it very disturbing.

[dana_b]

21. they think that they are superior to us

so why treat us as intelligent, equals?

[felix_numinous]

25. But if they don't need our vote

how can they get elected? Magic machines?

[dana_b]

28. of course!

It's how she has on much of this primary. Az, NY, Il in particular. Disenfranchising voters by purging them off of the voter rolls.

[felix_numinous]

44. Who remembers any candidate

confident enough to insult vast swaths of the population before all the votes were in? This is a tell, even President Obama kept up the rhetoric all the way to the nomination.

What kind of campaign strategy insults and mocks the people they wish to vote for them? Even Republicans kiss up to their constituency, Third Way members in no way match Independents, Greens, Democratic Socialists numbers. It's the math.

[Enthusiast]

118. I find it to be very curious. There is something going on here that we don't know about.

[merrily]

39. How closely have you been following this primary?

[HubertHeaver]

75. I think Felix is onto something.

[merrily]

110. Lots of shenanigans in this primary, starting in Iowa.

[TransitJohn]

148. Yup. eom

n/t

[Skink]

18. Hillary should debate this young woman

[Herman4747]

62. Agreed. And Hillary would lose too.

[Thespian2]

19. K & R !!!

I completely agree with the Sanders' supporter...HRH has lied about almost everything...but her laughter when discussing the disaster of Libya was one of the many things she did to lose any support I may have given her...Her entire history is filled with disaster after disaster...

[underpants]

32. How about supporter of candidate A refuses to vote for candidate B?

It HAS to be "won't vote Hillary". Pure media drama making.

[LuvLoogie]

35. The media is gonna eat up those sour grapes.

They'll ride that gravy train for the next 8 years.

They're only too happy to stir the pot while Hillary drinks your milkshake.

[Dont call me Shirley]

47. Strong links to regime change, support for devastating trade agreements is sour grapes?

[Cryptoad]

40. RNC is keeping her a seat warm!

[skepticscott]

42. People act like "not voting for Hillary"

is a thing that just happens in a vacuum, with no other effects or consequences. It is not. Anyone who pretends otherwise is in deep denial. And anyone who thinks there would be no real difference between a Trump and a Clinton presidency either hasn't been paying attention or is certifiable.

And how do you reconcile your tag line with Sanders' own statement that Hillary Clinton on her worst day is still a thousand times better than any Republican?

[Herman4747]

51. But how exactly does Hillary compare not to a Republican...

...but to Dr. Jill Stein, who, by the way, is most definitely not a war-loving, Kissinger-following, insincere liar?

[cui bono]

59. One could say the exact same things about Hillary vs. Bernie.

And anyone who thinks there would be no real difference between a Trump and a Clinton presidency either hasn't been paying attention or is certifiable.

Just change Trump to Sanders in your quote.

You all like to act like we should vote for Hillary as if it's no different than voting for Bernie, when in fact there's a big difference between the two. So Hillary supporters should ask themselves why they would want her to be nominated knowing she is so unacceptable to so many, particularly the independents she would need to win the GE should she get the nom. It's Hillary supporters who are playing with fire and breaking the Democratic Party. Time for the party to lose the Third Way corporate bullshit and get back to supporting people.

.

[skepticscott]

94. Of course there is a difference between Sanders and Clinton

Which is why I voted for Sanders in my primary. Were you making the unwarranted assumption that I'm a Clinton supporter?

That's not what this is about, though. This is about a Trump vs Clinton GE. If the choice for president is between one of those two (fantasy write-in campaigns not withstanding), that's not even a close call for anyone sane who cares about this country.

[Silver_Witch]

125. Sorry you don't think America will be okay.

This country has weathered lots of crazy Presidents and can weather another. Perhaps if Hillary losses the general election the democratic party will pick a stronger candidate next election cycle.

Some times people don't stop until they hit rock bottom. Trump would sure as hell be rock bottom.

Let me say this too. Hillary and Trump are friends. She went to his wedding. He supported the Clinton foundation so JUST how different to think it will be if you interchange either one for the other????

I know the old saying "birds of a feather flock together!"

[skepticscott]

126. Sorry, but if you're arguing that

if someone is a friend of mine, that all of THEIR friends are going to be so much like my friend that I won't see any difference, that's just silly, and completely at odds with the experience of any normal person.

How can any sane person have seen Trump's foreign policy speech and claim that he'd be just like Clinton?

[Silver_Witch]

128. Who knows!!! Just saying..

They seem very friendly and chummy. I am not talking about friends of friend. They like each other clearly! Are you saying Hillary just chums about with the likes of Trump cause he is powerful or rich. I would buy that one!

I don't like Hillary's hawkishness anymore than I like Trump's buffoonery. He is not them person I would vote for in the general election and neither is Hillary and her pro war everywhere position!

[cui bono]

138. Not assuming anything. Just putting forth the same argument using different candidates.

And that is why Democrats should be supporting Bernie. But they are blinded by something - poor information mostly and also identity politics and emotions - that they cannot allow themselves to pick the true and consistent liberal. Or they don't want a liberal. Either way, they are supporting the lesser candidate. The one who will compromise our health, our environment, our financial well being, our equality and even - as a woman - a woman's right to control her own body.

That is what is insane.

And personally, I will not vote for anyone who would do those things. Give me a person who is actually fighting for us and I'll vote for them. Until then I'll abstain or write someone in who I believe in. But anyone who supports a candidate who is not progressive who is running in what is supposed to be the left party of this country, who cannot get independents to vote for her, who has such an unlikability that the left will not vote for her, well anyone who supports that candidate and shoves her down our throat, they are the ones who will be to blame for not putting up a candidate that the people want to vote for.

.

[JGug1]

48. Voting For Nominee

At this point Bernie Sanders' chances of winning are slim and none. HOWEVER, in the unlikely event he pulls it off, I will happily vote for him. IF Hillary Clinton wins the nomination, as I fully expect her to, I will happily vote for her. People on this site who say they will NEVER vote for Hillary are making the choice to take a vote away from her. Will they not vote? Will they vote for the Republican nominee? Will they vote third party? Would they prefer a Republican, likely Trump, in the White House? GOOD LORD.

[LibDemAlways]

49. It certainly hasn't taken long for the corporate

media to adopt an anti-Hillary posture now that they're convinced she'll be the nominee. This is the first time I've ever seen a Sanders supporter invited to discuss why she doesn't like Hillary, and it won't be the last.

Republicans hate HRC. A good many Democrats don't much care for her either. If the mainstream corporate media decides to go after her, she'll have a tough uphill battle in the general. Not an enviable position to be in, but predictable when a political party decides to nominate a well known and equally well disliked person with a history of poor decision making and tons of baggage.

[RBInMaine]

52. Anyone who doesn't vote for Hillary might as well pucker up and smooch Trump's ass.

And that's all that needs to be said.

[HubertHeaver]

78. It takes a pro to do that.

We'll leave that up to you guys.

[cui bono]

139. Completely wrong. Anyone who doesn't vote for Bernie now will be the reason for Trump.

Hillary supporters and the establishment are the ones pushing forth a flawed candidate that so many people despise and will never vote for. Why not push for Bernie? He doesn't not repel and repulse people the way Hillary does. He would easily win the GE. There is no reason for Democrats not to be happy to vote for Bernie in the GE and he will get a lot of independent votes that Hillary will never get. And he has grown the Democratic Party by getting people to join because they support him and want to vote for him. Hillary will make those people and more leave the party.

Support her at our country's peril. It will be Hillary supporters' fault if she is nominated and loses the GE.

.

[DrBulldog]

53. Just remember this basic and blunt fact, people.

The last exit poll of the 2008 primary season revealed that 54% of all Hillary supporters would NEVER VOTE FOR BARACH OBAMA.

[LyndaG]

56. He won big without them??!!!

Doubt it. They must've come around. Most people can't afford to be spiteful. Too much to lose.

[zalinda]

68. That was Hillary and Obama, they were basically the same. eom

[awoke_in_2003]

93. And yet

most HRC backers did vote for Obama. Yes, there was a very small group of loudmouths who claimed otherwise, just like now.

On edit: to clarify, the ones who are claiming they won't for HRC if she wins are the loudmouths this time.

[Rebkeh]

54. She nailed it, indeed

We just don't trust her.

That's not on us, that's something she earned all on her own. Fair and square.

[TM99]

103. And she was far more articulate

as to why. She gave specific events and policies. All the shill could do is say well it is the media's fault for picking on poor little Hillary.

[Herman4747]

55. The difference between the 2 is "in degree & not in kind"???

No, that's not true.

Bernie is an honest, sincere FDR democrat, who places country above himself.
Hillary, on the other hand, is a narcissistic, war-loving, Kissinger-following, corruption-prone, insincere liar. (I've probably left some things out).

[LibDemAlways]

66. Yep, that was a steaming pile of bullshit comment.

The Sanders supporter was on point. Hillary has a history of poor decision making and can't be trusted. The talking heads can try spinning themselves into the ground, but it won't matter. The Dem Party establishment is bound and determined to nominate a weak candidate with huge vulnerabilities and high negatives. Good luck with that.

[PatrynXX]

57. don't see how it would be hidden

your using a news source. or at least it used to be a News source. Right now get most of my news from outside the USA. and the Weather Channel and NOAA. But Her supporters are the reason Bernie made it this far.

[SmittynMo]

58. Listen to Emily.

She is totally blinded by the light. I question her hearing too.

[Herman4747]

73. I find it quite hard to listen to Emily.

...well, without getting upset.

[zalinda]

69. No, that would be the Hillary supporters

both believe 'facts' not in evidence.

Z

[frylock]

89. Fresh take.

[Herman4747]

64. That YahNe is extremely impressive, & well-informed. n/t

[JonLeibowitz]

84. I was impressed; She put the problems with Hillary Clinton better than I ever could.

What a righteous interview that was. Damn.

[ish of the hammer]

65. As my wife told a friend - "I have never voted for a republican and I do not intend to start now."

Clinton will never get her vote or mine.

[Cassiopeia]

72. It's the media's fault.

She does and says things that allow us to question her ability to tell the truth. The media reports on it.

Landed under sniper fire....

I could make the list, but there's no point. I trust Hillary less than any other politician I've ever listened to or met.

It's just that simple. If you believe her, fine. That's your fault, not mine, not the media, not Bernie, not anyone else. She has proven again and again and again that she isn't a fibbing politician, but an outright liar.

[iandhr]

74. When a Hillary delegate to the DNC in 2008 said she wouldn't vote for Obama.

Hillary yanked her credentials and alternate was put in her place.


Sanders would show great leadership if he said he wouldn't want the support of anyone who doesn't support the nominee.

[Enthusiast]

119. Sanders would show greater leadership if he said the opposite.

[Agnosticsherbet]

76. Then they want Trump.

Even with their support, Trump will lose.

[Cary]

77. Maybe you ought to consider what Hillary Clinton vs Trump means to your life

Rather than being "turned off" because someone doesn't approve of Sanders' supporters' behavior.

I don't approve of Sanders' supporters' behavior either. Most of us don't. That doesn't mean I wouldn't vote for Sanders. I don't cut off my nose to spite my face.

[djean111]

79. An olive branch from a candidate who is for war and fracking and cluster bombs and regime changes.

Bwahahahahaha! Fail. All the olive branches from all the olive trees in the world won't camouflage the war and fracking and cluster bombs. I wish people would stop spouting that bullshit. it is insulting.

[Indepatriot]

80. Wow! That HRC supporter really set me straight.....

all this time I thought it was her history,her aversion to the truth, her actions, and her shameless shape-shifting that made her a lousy candidate. But it turns out IT'S THE MEDIA'S FAULT!!!!!

READY TO SETTLE FOR HILLARY!!!!!

[MisterP]

146. right, nothing scores better than blaming everyone for being seen as cagey and unreliable

and her fans' "Clinton or else" is another good motivator--that'll fill stadiums!

better than the CP

[Andy823]

86. Who gives a shit

If they are that damned stupid to sit on their ass and pout while Trump wins, then who cares.

If so many here hate Hillary this much why the hell do they stay here? The aren't going to change anyones minds and get more support for Bernie. All they do is make themselves look like selfish spoiled losers!

[TM99]

102. So how many insults can you pack into

one response?

Want to call us more names? Shame us more? That is going to work so well when the progressive independents say fuck you to Hillary Clinton in November.

There is no unity or olive branch. There is just more blame games, insults, piss & vinegar. Good luck with that strategy on and off DU.

[Enthusiast]

121. Huge +1!

[Carni]

123. Yep!

Masterful strategy they have going there...

[Carni]

122. If *they* are that damned stupid?

I think it's the HRC groupies who are not using common sense. She's extremely unpopular with the general public and comes with lots and lots of baggage. She would have needed to run against someone with equal baggage and high disapproval ratings to win, Dick Cheney she could probably beat. Don't call people who don't buy her liberal shtick/act stupid, we're not the ones wearing blinders. She is *winning* in PRIMARIES in states without OPEN primaries. You people wanted her, good on you...you got her. Don't whine about it and blame people who saw the handwriting on the wall when she loses the general. She might be able to beat Cruz, you'd best hope he makes a miracle comeback if you want your neoconservative lite gal to win.

[Ino]

87. Emily: "We want someone who learns from her mistakes...

not someone who gets it right the first time!" I've heard that bit of "logic" here so many times, LOL.

[jillan]

88. She is wonderful!

[underthematrix]

90. Yani is beautiful, smart, talented BUT

I'm hoping her family will school her on why it is so IMPORTANT to the African American community for HRC to win. It would be devastating to #BlackPower #BlackWealth #BlackExcellence #BlackLegacy #BlackJustice if we do not have a DEMOCRAT in the White House and control of the Congress.

I'm hopeful. Once President Obama makes the case, she'll see the light. I think she's gonna do great things.

[TM99]

104. I wouldn't.

AA communities have suffered economic injustice and social injustice now under New Dems and Republicans. Sanders is the only candidate promoting economic justice and social justice for all including minority communities.

[underthematrix]

132. Sanders spent years dissing the 1st AA POTUS.

That right there is a deal breaker. But more importantly, most #BlackWealth #BlackExcellence #BlackPower #BlackJustice #BlackInnovation #BlackGenius has come through the DEM party. At the same time, I understand. On the surface it makes sense to support Bernie. But Bernie is not tied to Black political power. And when the candidate surrounds himself with African Americans who have spewed some of the most vile rhetoric against PBO, the vast majority of the AA community is not gonna support him. It demonstrates a level of tonedeafness and stupidity that almost equals that of NAZI Trump.

Of course in a match-up between Bernie and NAZI Trump. Bernie would definitely have my vote.

[TM99]

143. Oh for fuck's sake.

He did not diss the 1st AA POTUS.

After Obama's Hope & Change was revealed to just be a marketing campaign and not a true progressive agenda he suggested that a primary challenge might push him back to the left. That was it. Nothing more and nothing less.

I am so sick of the god damn lies, distortions, half-truths, and rat-fuckery.

Hillary fucking Clinton was a racist in 2008 but hey she love y'all now!

[underthematrix]

144. Yes Bernie did and he regularly did it on MSNBC

I don't love HRC. I love the BLACK WEALTH, BLACK POWER and BLACK EXCELLENCE that has been created over the past 8 years thanks to the OBAMA administration. I had to get past my feelings about HRC to even support her. The Clintons helped to create a lot of BLACK POLITICAL POWER in the nineties which was why he was referred to as the first Black President. It has taken Obama coalition peeps like me a long time to get past what happened in 2008. But we had to put our feels aside and keep it moving. Bernie doesn't have any connection to the black power political power structure in the DEM party. We're not gonna give up the progress we've made to support some inexperienced less educated less politically connected 75 year old dude from lilyland Vermont.

I'm well educated so I'm not gonna vote for the least qualified candidate when I have a choice. Even though Bernie would be better than any GOP candidate, for the CA primary, I'm going with the MOST qualified candidate which is Hillary Clinton.

[TM99]

145. No, he didn't and you are simply making shit up.

He actually had that discussion with Thom Hartmann.

No the Clinton's did not. They were bring superpredators to heel and you seem to confuse playing the saxophone on Arsenio Hall with black power when the Clinton's were actually Sister Soujah's instead.

That's ok. No community is monolithic and ours includes just as many willfully blind as there are whites or latinos.

That you use the word qualified and Clinton in the same sentence tells me all I need to know about your judgement.

[yuiyoshida]

96. I'm down with that..

and no, I will vote democratic ticket, but Hillary has already stated she doesn't need Sanders supporters votes, so that's cool with me. I will leave President blank.

[hedda_foil]

99. The snide woman is a Tisch (Emily Tisch Sussman)

Their family wealth is estimated to be about $21 million. She has no idea what income inequality is.


http://www.businessinsider.com/meet-the-tischs-2012-5

[TM99]

105. Daddy is the founder of

New China Capital Management LLC.

http://www.cathay-capital.com/

The Cathay family of funds ("Cathay&quot is a leading private investment firm providing growth capital to companies operating in China.

She is a neoliberal completely out of touch with this young black woman's reality and experiences.

[hedda_foil]

141. Exactly.

[IdaBriggs]

100. B: "Here is an example of Hillary getting caught lying." H: "She gets attacked a lot."

B: "Here are some examples of her catastrophically BAD judgment and how it has ruined lives."

H: "She learned from those mistakes."

B: "I don't trust her."

H: "Yes, we know that and she's going to work on that because only stupid people don't trust her."

Wow. Talk about clueless! Worst. Candidate. Ever.

[GreatGazoo]

127. MicroSoft was well known in the ad industry for being a tough client.

Their attitude was very similar: "If people don't want our bloated operating system and bloat-ware they are just stupid."

and then:
http://freebeacon.com/blog/for-the-clintons-a-corporate-love-affair-with-microsoft/

[Lil Missy]

108. *yawn*

[MillennialDem]

109. If it takes Berning this whole thing to the ground, so be it. Hillary is not even

offering an olive branch, so she can fuck off. Not getting my vote.

[Enthusiast]

113. CNN is condescending. They suck. Totally suck.

It was clear from the narrative where they stood. And this is nothing new. CNN has taken an anti Bernie from the start. That is why I urge you to boycott CNN because of their inherent bias.

The young lady that spoke on behalf of Bernie did a wonderful job and she was exactly spot on.

[LenaBaby61]

117. IF this nor any other person doesn't want to vote for Hillary Clinton...

In the fall, then so be it.

A person's vote is theirs and theirs ONLY, and nobody should be forced or bullied into doing something they don't want to do, and yes that means voting as well. Good luck to the young lady.

Now, there are Sanders supporters who will be voting for Hillary Clinton in the fall that I know personally and who many who I don't know. To them I say thank you, and I'll see you this November.

[TekGryphon]

129. WHO THE F*** CARES?

So some first-time progressive who was politically apathetic prior to mid-2015 promises to go back to political apathy after mid-2016 because his or her special little pony candidate didn't win.

Who the fuck cares?

Bernie Sanders is not the Jesus Christ of the Progressive Movement. Neither is Hillary Clinton. The Progressive Movement is defined by the thousands upon thousands of town, city, county, and state elected officials who drive our Democracy forward.

These "My Pony or Bust" twats have never voted for a progressive in their life, and were never intending to do so again. They were here for an identity, a single person, and when that person lost, they're gone.

Fuck em. Their value to the Progressive Movement was 0 before, and it's 0 now.

Spend your time and energy on the people who recognize that the Progressive Movement exists beyond a single identity.

[dana_b]

133. you don't know a thing about us, not a thing

presumptuous and arrogant.

Bye!

[TekGryphon]

137. "Bye!" is what the progressive movement is saying to...

... you fair-weather, sometimes, weekend-only progressives.

Boo-fucking-hoo your favorite pony lost a primary in 2016. In a year no one will even care.

There's a thousand progressives running for office that need our support. You "My Pony or Bust" kids will be as missed by the Progressive Movement as Nader voters were.

Bye!

[djean111]

135. "twats"? Why don't you slither back into the swamp you crawled out from.

On the other hand - you are representing the Hillary campaign very accurately. And, of course, no one gives a shit what you think, or follows your orders.

Spend your time and energy on the people who recognize that the Progressive Movement exists beyond a single identity.

Send that message to Debbie Wasserman-DINO and Hillary.

[TBF]

140. Well Ms. Emily is clearly wiser than the rest of us ...

just ask and I'm sure she'll confirm it.

[Shankapotomus]

142. I remember here at DU

Before either H. Clinton or Sanders had announced they were running there was much discussion here about splitting the vote.

And at the time, Sanders and non-Clinton supporters were assuring everyone here that they would back the nominee, if it was Hillary.

So it's threads like this that just confirms for me (and I'm for nominating Sanders) that a lot of that talk about backing the nominee if it was Hillary was a lot of BSing.