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We Need A Vibrant Democracy | Bernie Sanders (Original Post) Donkees Apr 2016 OP
I'm all for a vibrant democracy. Stevepol Apr 2016 #1

Stevepol

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1. I'm all for a vibrant democracy.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:12 AM
Apr 2016

But of course it's impossible to have a vibrant democracy when the votes are counted on electronic voting machines.

Let me remind the Berniesta brigade, of which I am a proud member, about something missing as always from this discussion. I felt at the beginning of Bernie's amazing run, that Bernie would win the actual vote but it would be almost impossible for him to win the vote where the voting machines were used to tally the results, both in the primary and in the general election if he were able to win the primary.

John Brakey, who has a law suit pending in Maricopa County AZ re some of the shenanigans pulled there, mentioned in a recent interview with the "Sane Progressive," Deborah Lusignan, that in the 3% of counties in MA which use hand-counted paper ballots only, Bernie beat HRC by 17% pts.

Can you get your mind around what that means? Jon Simon analyzed this 3% group of MA "Handcounters" in his book CODE RED. They are slightly more conservative than the rest of MA, which to my mind would indicate that they are probably more likely to have voted for HRC than the "Optiscanners," those having their ballots counted on optiscan machines.

If this group of Handcounters were distributed equally throughout the rest of the state (that is, if the demographics were the same there as for the rest of the state), the chances of an 8-point disparity between the two Dem candidates would be highly unlikely. You would expect the percentage difference between the two vote results to be less than 1% in 99.999% of the cases. In other words, it's next to impossible.

But here you have Brakey saying that among the "Handcounters" Bernie won by 17%. So what's the likelihood of this happening?

I would wager every penny I own that Bernie won MA by a substantial margin.

BTW the machines used to count votes in PA, DE, et al., all the other states where HRC is reported to have won, are probably less trustworthy than the type of machines used in MA. As you can guess, I don't believe those results can be trusted any more than the results in MA.

And BTW I'm not complaining. I fully expected this to happen. I don't know how the programmers of the machines are politically with regard to Trump, but the way they decide to program the machines will determine the general election as well. I think HRC will win in the general by a good margin but if the programmers want Trump to ride to victory, I doubt her margin will be great enough to overcome the falsified results that will come as usual out of the machines.

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