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(14,255 posts)Hillary has poisoned that well.
Bwahahahaha!
riversedge
(70,242 posts)glad to see this initiative.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)newthinking
(3,982 posts)http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/22/hillary-clintons-support-base-as-bogus-as-us-democracy/
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US elections, despite all the media hype and endless rhetoric about democracy in action, are in fact little more than manufactured political theater. The country that ceaselessly trumpets democratic values and transparency practices neither when it comes to its own elections.
As New Yorkers go to the polls in Democratic and Republican primaries this week, it is critical to once again highlight the myriad ways that democracy in the United States is, like most other things, a commodity to be bought and sold. From corporate control of the infrastructure of elections, to the creation of mass bases of support out of whole cloth, the candidates, as well as the system itself, cannot be trusted to be genuine.
Perhaps nothing illustrates this point more clearly than the results of multiple studies on Hillary Clintons online following which reveal that the majority of her Twitter fans, and indeed her social media following in general, are completely fake. Consider the implications of these findings from StatusPeople.com, and well-respected analytical tool TwitterAudit, which both found that no more than 44 percent of Clintons followers were actually real, active users of Twitter.
This may seem something trivial, but in fact it cuts to the very heart of the notion of democracy, and the legitimacy of a candidate who is perhaps the most obvious embodiment of the political and financial establishment in the US. Indeed, Bernie Sanders, among many others, has correctly noted that Clinton is in many ways the epitome of the ruling elite.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/22/hillary-clintons-support-base-as-bogus-as-us-democracy/
turbinetree
(24,703 posts)absolutely beautiful...........................just like the old adage, the emperor with no clothes, when items are presented.
I am presently reading Thomas Franks book Listen, Liberal, and it is just amazing at what has transpired from this party since 1972, when I was six years into the political process, and especially from 1992 forward, when this DLC and Third Way "stuff' appeared and gained traction-------------------when it is seen for what it has become.......................its how inequality is used, and Frank, hit it right on the head, and the DLC and the Third Way, and there supporters----------------amazing.............
Like I keep saying how can someone, sitting or standing in a room with c-suites, saying something about inequality--------------what can you and I do to correct this, knowing that they will not do anything unless it's in there interests "First"------------------amazing------and then when someone asks for the transcripts all you hear about are justification not to release the information from all quarters, well it goes back to Franks book,-------------------------" it is important then, just like now" ----------------like I have been hearing on some progressive radio stations on XM --------------------------but I digress.
Honk-----------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016
Squinch
(50,955 posts)ON BOTH SIDES have eaten it up like little hungry birds eating the mother bird's regurgitation.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)it was called, "Infect the Record."
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)The big Donors have all of the access and would not keep giving her these huge sums of money, both personally and through campaign donations, Super PACs and the Clinton Foundation! They are for sure getting their Quid Pro Quo!
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Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)And now they seek to destroy that - EXCEPT they can't
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)Revolution Messaging LLC - He has paid millions for them. Check the FEC papers.
ETA: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2016/03/18/revolution-messaging-helps-drive-sanders-political-revolution/81977160/
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Absolutely nothing.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)Sanders' group uses social media for fundraising ("to help build a giant email list of supporters" .
Hillary/Brock's group uses social media to combat negative info ("to defend Hillary Clinton from baseless attacks" .
No one is saying campaigns should not use social media. That would be silly. The difference being discussed is the one between, say having a facebook page to engage people and using facebook advertising that elicits contributions on the one hand, vs. paying people to create pro-Hillary posts (without attributing where they're really coming from) in discussion areas on the other. I'm not even going to make a judgment here about whether it's right or wrong, a good idea or a bad one, I'm just pointing out that there's a difference that is not negated with the simple "hey, they both use social media."
Blue Meany
(1,947 posts)most of the negative twitter memes about Bernie have either been launched and/or amplified by them.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Heck Bernie even collects cellphone numbers and Text's us asking for phone callers....it is called the 21st Century...welcome to it. And of course to raise money, small amounts are more labor intensive.
He does not use it for what the HRC Pac is going to which is trolling or attacking those that support Hillary!
Although I have to say I will be happy if they care actually posting reasons we should vote for her...maybe they can convince me she is not a
War Hawk.....
Or that she does not seek advice from Henry Kissinger (of which she was so proud)
Or that she will bargain away women's access to health or social security to "meet the republicans half way"
Or that she will actually do away with For-Profit Prisons and maybe the WAR on "drugs" which was always the war on the poor!
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)The firm's activities are, in no way, to include challenging anti-Sanders statements on social media. It's function is fundraising. It uses social media to help raise funds for Sanders' campaign.
On the other hand, 'Correct the Record' has no fundraising mission. It gets money mostly from other SuperPACs. And here's what it is (straight from its own website):
" A) strategic research and rapid response team designed to defend Hillary Clinton from baseless attacks."
Its mission is to identify, through the use of bots, social media communications which contain negative discussion of Hillary Clinton, then attack those communications using guerilla tactics.
And, because of a goofed-up loophole regarding SuperPACs directly coordinating with candidates with respect to Internet activities, they can function directly as a wing of Clinton's campaign, while being funded by outside sources.
If you're OK with that, what would you not be OK with? I mean, is there anything that you could imagine Hillary Clinton doing that would cost her your support? If she just paid someone to kill Sanders, would that be OK? (I'm not asking about Trump - I don't know what my own answer would be there...)
KoKo
(84,711 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)gordianot
(15,240 posts)Any time I see the "Real Democrats" line I get suspicious as to motive.
Old Codger
(4,205 posts)Is "I am a Bernie fan and back him,but"
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)(Pee Wee Herman)
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)amount to his campaign and won't vote for Clinton. Period.
And I've written that, or a close variation of that, in several responses to self-identified Bernie supporters who have gone way outside the bounds of decency, helping to make us all look bad.
I don't know that I've seen much in the way of 'I am a Bernie fan and back him, but,' and then an anti-Bernie follow up.
This 'Correct the Record' thing, though, is pure Orwellian obscenity.
RATM435
(392 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)for Gentle, Dependable Overnight Relief of Internet Naysayers
jalan48
(13,870 posts)RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)This is right from their website:
"Correct The Record is a strategic research and rapid response team designed to defend Hillary Clinton from baseless attacks."
WTF?
If someone would do something like this to get elected, what would that person be willing to do if elected?
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)So there won't be much work for them then eh?
hehehehehe - sorry I could not resist that one!
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)will be... broadly interpreted...
If they'd just come out and told the truth: 'to seek out any and all social media commentary that suggests lack of support for Hillary Clinton and aggressively attack the commentators,' well, that might have ruffled a few feathers among her supporters (maybe?)...
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Just imagine how many jobs she can create if she wins the election.
Petrushka
(3,709 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)
reason why this female will never trust Hillary. And yeahthere is a difference (a huge one) between "New Democrats" and Real Democrats.
The DLC model of democrats started to give me the willies long before I'd ever even heard of Bernie Sanders.
Rafale
(291 posts)Should not be done to the American public. Koch brothers tactics. Very disappointing. Borderline campaign dirty tricks.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)this is doomed to be a massive fail.
Attacked an excellent, excellent article by Seth Abramson as being "flawed" because it's based on the premise that you need 2383 delegates to win the nomination, not the "correct number of 2028" (half the pledged delegates), and therefore the thesis is "rubbish."
So the idiot couldn't 1. divide 4,051 in half. 2. understand the difference between winning half+ pledged vs half+ total delegates.
Drove that one off a cliff and into the ether
Gman
(24,780 posts)Or $7 per vote.
Horrors.
Fritz Walter
(4,291 posts)It appears that this PAC is using the same approach that "Frothy" did a few months back.
How Rick Santorum Got His Google Back
To answer that question, I went to the search engine and was prepared to laugh it up. But to my surprise, a certain site has fallen to mid-page two of the results.
Now, thats when searching for Rick Santorum. If you search just the Republicans last name, he still generates less than ideal results. Still, it looks as though one of the Internets most notorious Googlebombs has lost some of its explosiveness.
Emphasis added
jwirr
(39,215 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)I see this version is from another pro-Bernie group... very useful, that. It looks like Bernie's fans are complaining that they are getting called out for posting fact free assertions and apocryphal claims against Clinton, not defending their online conjectures as being truthful.
Seeing how the Bernie Bros respond to the opposition, or even general questions, I can sympathize with Hillary supporters who choose to remain silent looky lous here and on other social media websites, rather than face the harassment and be targeted by another mass of piled on personal attacks. If the task force of "reporters, PR specialists, designers, bloggers, and Hillary super fans" put together by Super PACS like Correct the Record can point out authenticated facts where others have been silenced, that's a win-win for Democrats who value the whole truth, not just the tastiest, cherry-picked bits.
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)I just saw this statement credited to Hillary Clinton on the 'Correct the Record' website:
"In this world and the world of tomorrow, we must go forward together or not at all."
It's a line that doesn't make any sense, but that's not what got me. I was a big fan of the Sci-Fi show Babylon 5. And I recognized the line. Here's the line delivered by the character Delenn in the 1996 episode 'Severed Dreams':
"We move now--together--or not at all."
The line was written by series creator J. Michael Straczynski, who wrote most of the episodes.
No way that's a coincidence.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)Ha! Sure, that's it. "Correcting the record", what a stinking pile of word poop.
snot
(10,530 posts)There's a crucial distinction between communicating with the intent to inform
vs.
communicating with the intent to manipulate.
Whether via social media or any other medium.