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Hillary PAC spends $1 million to "correct" social media. (Original Post) liberalnarb Apr 2016 OP
So much for the fake poutrage over being called a paid troll, methinks. djean111 Apr 2016 #1
Harrassment by the RW--and yes some of Sanders fan is a serious problem and am riversedge Apr 2016 #5
This "initiative" sounds like internet fascisism to me. liberalnarb Apr 2016 #32
CounterPunch - Hillary Clinton’s Support Base as Bogus as US Democracy newthinking Apr 2016 #40
That was beautiful.................................. turbinetree Apr 2016 #43
About damn time. The right wing has fed lies into the system for years, and Hillary's opponents Squinch Apr 2016 #2
And here I thought RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #3
K&R!!! Hillary is the poster child for what Bernie and the rest of us are fighting against! Dustlawyer Apr 2016 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Apr 2016 #6
So true! The social media is where you should go to find the truth. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #18
+1000 Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #19
You do know that Sanders pays a group called OKNancy Apr 2016 #7
What does THAT USAToday article have to do with what WE'RE talking about here? MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #12
LOLOLOL. They both pay people to go on social media, that's what it has to do with it. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #17
The stated purposes are different. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #34
Clinton's group, Correct the Media, is very effective Blue Meany Apr 2016 #42
Every candidate builds a Email Base List.... Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #21
There's a critical distinction that you're missing (or ignoring for purposes of making a point). RiverNoord Apr 2016 #23
....! n/t KoKo Apr 2016 #31
So how is that the same as trying to suppress the truth? jwirr Apr 2016 #36
If they invested supporters at DU they might want their money back. gordianot Apr 2016 #8
The other line Old Codger Apr 2016 #10
Everyone has a big, "but"... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #14
Well, I am a Bernie supporter, have donated a fair RiverNoord Apr 2016 #25
At least 10k was spent sensoring post on du. RATM435 Apr 2016 #9
'Correctol' the Record? tomm2thumbs Apr 2016 #11
Is this what is meant by "keeping it real"? jalan48 Apr 2016 #13
This is truly Orwellian. RiverNoord Apr 2016 #15
Key word "baseless" Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #22
Well... I have a feeling that the 'baseless' criteria RiverNoord Apr 2016 #29
Hillary is creating jobs and she hasn't even been elected yet. Enthusiast Apr 2016 #16
^^ LOL Petrushka Apr 2016 #24
Yet another zentrum Apr 2016 #20
Sounds like a military PSY OP Rafale Apr 2016 #26
Dupe :) Helen Borg Apr 2016 #27
well if the idiot I engaged w/yesterday is any sign magical thyme Apr 2016 #28
Sanders spent $5.7 million in New York alone Gman Apr 2016 #30
This sounds very familiar Fritz Walter Apr 2016 #33
To tell voters they are not correct. Nice compliment Hill. jwirr Apr 2016 #35
Is there a contest for how many times this story gets posted? procon Apr 2016 #37
OK - this is rich.... RiverNoord Apr 2016 #38
Lol liberalnarb Apr 2016 #39
lol! "Correct" the record!? Phlem Apr 2016 #41
Just to be clear: snot Apr 2016 #44
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
1. So much for the fake poutrage over being called a paid troll, methinks.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:49 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary has poisoned that well.

Bwahahahaha!

riversedge

(70,242 posts)
5. Harrassment by the RW--and yes some of Sanders fan is a serious problem and am
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:10 AM
Apr 2016

glad to see this initiative.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
40. CounterPunch - Hillary Clinton’s Support Base as Bogus as US Democracy
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 12:05 PM
Apr 2016
Hillary Clinton’s Support Base as Bogus as US Democracy

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/22/hillary-clintons-support-base-as-bogus-as-us-democracy/



R. Gino Santa Maria | Shutterstock.com

US elections, despite all the media hype and endless rhetoric about ‘democracy in action,’ are in fact little more than manufactured political theater. The country that ceaselessly trumpets democratic values and transparency practices neither when it comes to its own elections.

As New Yorkers go to the polls in Democratic and Republican primaries this week, it is critical to once again highlight the myriad ways that democracy in the United States is, like most other things, a commodity to be bought and sold. From corporate control of the infrastructure of elections, to the creation of mass bases of support out of whole cloth, the candidates, as well as the system itself, cannot be trusted to be genuine.

Perhaps nothing illustrates this point more clearly than the results of multiple studies on Hillary Clinton’s online following which reveal that the majority of her Twitter fans, and indeed her social media following in general, are completely fake. Consider the implications of these findings from StatusPeople.com, and well-respected analytical tool TwitterAudit, which both found that no more than 44 percent of Clinton’s followers were actually real, active users of Twitter.

This may seem something trivial, but in fact it cuts to the very heart of the notion of democracy, and the legitimacy of a candidate who is perhaps the most obvious embodiment of the political and financial establishment in the US. Indeed, Bernie Sanders, among many others, has correctly noted that Clinton is in many ways the epitome of the ruling elite.


http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/22/hillary-clintons-support-base-as-bogus-as-us-democracy/

turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
43. That was beautiful..................................
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:43 PM
Apr 2016

absolutely beautiful...........................just like the old adage, the emperor with no clothes, when items are presented.

I am presently reading Thomas Franks book Listen, Liberal, and it is just amazing at what has transpired from this party since 1972, when I was six years into the political process, and especially from 1992 forward, when this DLC and Third Way "stuff' appeared and gained traction-------------------when it is seen for what it has become.......................its how inequality is used, and Frank, hit it right on the head, and the DLC and the Third Way, and there supporters----------------amazing.............

Like I keep saying how can someone, sitting or standing in a room with c-suites, saying something about inequality--------------what can you and I do to correct this, knowing that they will not do anything unless it's in there interests "First"------------------amazing------and then when someone asks for the transcripts all you hear about are justification not to release the information from all quarters, well it goes back to Franks book,-------------------------" it is important then, just like now" ----------------like I have been hearing on some progressive radio stations on XM --------------------------but I digress.


Honk-----------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016


Squinch

(50,955 posts)
2. About damn time. The right wing has fed lies into the system for years, and Hillary's opponents
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:57 AM
Apr 2016

ON BOTH SIDES have eaten it up like little hungry birds eating the mother bird's regurgitation.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
4. K&R!!! Hillary is the poster child for what Bernie and the rest of us are fighting against!
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:07 AM
Apr 2016

The big Donors have all of the access and would not keep giving her these huge sums of money, both personally and through campaign donations, Super PACs and the Clinton Foundation! They are for sure getting their Quid Pro Quo!

Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
7. You do know that Sanders pays a group called
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:25 AM
Apr 2016

Revolution Messaging LLC - He has paid millions for them. Check the FEC papers.

ETA: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2016/03/18/revolution-messaging-helps-drive-sanders-political-revolution/81977160/

But there’s more to it than that. Sanders has relied on Revolution Messaging and his own digital staff to help build a giant email list of supporters through online ads, videos, shareable graphics and social media posts at key moments in the campaign.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
34. The stated purposes are different.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:18 AM
Apr 2016

Sanders' group uses social media for fundraising ("to help build a giant email list of supporters&quot .

Hillary/Brock's group uses social media to combat negative info ("to defend Hillary Clinton from baseless attacks&quot .

No one is saying campaigns should not use social media. That would be silly. The difference being discussed is the one between, say having a facebook page to engage people and using facebook advertising that elicits contributions on the one hand, vs. paying people to create pro-Hillary posts (without attributing where they're really coming from) in discussion areas on the other. I'm not even going to make a judgment here about whether it's right or wrong, a good idea or a bad one, I'm just pointing out that there's a difference that is not negated with the simple "hey, they both use social media."

 

Blue Meany

(1,947 posts)
42. Clinton's group, Correct the Media, is very effective
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:40 PM
Apr 2016

most of the negative twitter memes about Bernie have either been launched and/or amplified by them.

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
21. Every candidate builds a Email Base List....
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:40 AM
Apr 2016

Heck Bernie even collects cellphone numbers and Text's us asking for phone callers....it is called the 21st Century...welcome to it. And of course to raise money, small amounts are more labor intensive.

He does not use it for what the HRC Pac is going to which is trolling or attacking those that support Hillary!

Although I have to say I will be happy if they care actually posting reasons we should vote for her...maybe they can convince me she is not a

War Hawk.....

Or that she does not seek advice from Henry Kissinger (of which she was so proud)

Or that she will bargain away women's access to health or social security to "meet the republicans half way"

Or that she will actually do away with For-Profit Prisons and maybe the WAR on "drugs" which was always the war on the poor!

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
23. There's a critical distinction that you're missing (or ignoring for purposes of making a point).
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:50 AM
Apr 2016

The firm's activities are, in no way, to include challenging anti-Sanders statements on social media. It's function is fundraising. It uses social media to help raise funds for Sanders' campaign.

On the other hand, 'Correct the Record' has no fundraising mission. It gets money mostly from other SuperPACs. And here's what it is (straight from its own website):

&quot A) strategic research and rapid response team designed to defend Hillary Clinton from baseless attacks."

Its mission is to identify, through the use of bots, social media communications which contain negative discussion of Hillary Clinton, then attack those communications using guerilla tactics.

And, because of a goofed-up loophole regarding SuperPACs directly coordinating with candidates with respect to Internet activities, they can function directly as a wing of Clinton's campaign, while being funded by outside sources.

If you're OK with that, what would you not be OK with? I mean, is there anything that you could imagine Hillary Clinton doing that would cost her your support? If she just paid someone to kill Sanders, would that be OK? (I'm not asking about Trump - I don't know what my own answer would be there...)

gordianot

(15,240 posts)
8. If they invested supporters at DU they might want their money back.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:32 AM
Apr 2016

Any time I see the "Real Democrats" line I get suspicious as to motive.

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
25. Well, I am a Bernie supporter, have donated a fair
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:58 AM
Apr 2016

amount to his campaign and won't vote for Clinton. Period.

And I've written that, or a close variation of that, in several responses to self-identified Bernie supporters who have gone way outside the bounds of decency, helping to make us all look bad.

I don't know that I've seen much in the way of 'I am a Bernie fan and back him, but,' and then an anti-Bernie follow up.

This 'Correct the Record' thing, though, is pure Orwellian obscenity.

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
15. This is truly Orwellian.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:20 AM
Apr 2016

This is right from their website:

"Correct The Record is a strategic research and rapid response team designed to defend Hillary Clinton from baseless attacks."

WTF?

If someone would do something like this to get elected, what would that person be willing to do if elected?

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
22. Key word "baseless"
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:44 AM
Apr 2016

So there won't be much work for them then eh?

hehehehehe - sorry I could not resist that one!

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
29. Well... I have a feeling that the 'baseless' criteria
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:07 AM
Apr 2016

will be... broadly interpreted...

If they'd just come out and told the truth: 'to seek out any and all social media commentary that suggests lack of support for Hillary Clinton and aggressively attack the commentators,' well, that might have ruffled a few feathers among her supporters (maybe?)...

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
16. Hillary is creating jobs and she hasn't even been elected yet.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:25 AM
Apr 2016

Just imagine how many jobs she can create if she wins the election.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
20. Yet another
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:40 AM
Apr 2016

……reason why this female will never trust Hillary. And yeah—there is a difference (a huge one) between "New Democrats" and Real Democrats.

The DLC model of democrats started to give me the willies long before I'd ever even heard of Bernie Sanders.

Rafale

(291 posts)
26. Sounds like a military PSY OP
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:04 AM
Apr 2016

Should not be done to the American public. Koch brothers tactics. Very disappointing. Borderline campaign dirty tricks.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
28. well if the idiot I engaged w/yesterday is any sign
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:06 AM
Apr 2016

this is doomed to be a massive fail.

Attacked an excellent, excellent article by Seth Abramson as being "flawed" because it's based on the premise that you need 2383 delegates to win the nomination, not the "correct number of 2028" (half the pledged delegates), and therefore the thesis is "rubbish."

So the idiot couldn't 1. divide 4,051 in half. 2. understand the difference between winning half+ pledged vs half+ total delegates.

Drove that one off a cliff and into the ether


Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
33. This sounds very familiar
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:13 AM
Apr 2016

It appears that this PAC is using the same approach that "Frothy" did a few months back.

How Rick Santorum Got His Google Back

“Go Google Rick Santorum and Hillary Clinton,” the former Pennsylvania senator told the crowd during the Republican undercard debate on Jan. 14. That sounded funny to anyone who’s followed Santorum’s famous battles with the LGBT community. Why would somebody with such a notorious Google issue suggest the viewing audience go search for him?

To answer that question, I went to the search engine and was prepared to laugh it up. But to my surprise, a certain site has fallen to mid-page two of the results.

Now, that’s when searching for “Rick Santorum.” If you search just the Republican’s last name, he still generates less than ideal results. Still, it looks as though one of the Internet’s most notorious Googlebombs has lost some of its explosiveness.

Emphasis added

procon

(15,805 posts)
37. Is there a contest for how many times this story gets posted?
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:34 AM
Apr 2016

I see this version is from another pro-Bernie group... very useful, that. It looks like Bernie's fans are complaining that they are getting called out for posting fact free assertions and apocryphal claims against Clinton, not defending their online conjectures as being truthful.

Seeing how the Bernie Bros respond to the opposition, or even general questions, I can sympathize with Hillary supporters who choose to remain silent looky lous here and on other social media websites, rather than face the harassment and be targeted by another mass of piled on personal attacks. If the task force of "reporters, PR specialists, designers, bloggers, and Hillary super fans" put together by Super PACS like Correct the Record can point out authenticated facts where others have been silenced, that's a win-win for Democrats who value the whole truth, not just the tastiest, cherry-picked bits.


 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
38. OK - this is rich....
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:36 AM
Apr 2016

I just saw this statement credited to Hillary Clinton on the 'Correct the Record' website:

"In this world and the world of tomorrow, we must go forward together or not at all."

It's a line that doesn't make any sense, but that's not what got me. I was a big fan of the Sci-Fi show Babylon 5. And I recognized the line. Here's the line delivered by the character Delenn in the 1996 episode 'Severed Dreams':

"We move now--together--or not at all."

The line was written by series creator J. Michael Straczynski, who wrote most of the episodes.

No way that's a coincidence.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
41. lol! "Correct" the record!?
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:30 PM
Apr 2016

Ha! Sure, that's it. "Correcting the record", what a stinking pile of word poop.

snot

(10,530 posts)
44. Just to be clear:
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 12:30 AM
Apr 2016

There's a crucial distinction between communicating with the intent to inform

vs.

communicating with the intent to manipulate.

Whether via social media or any other medium.

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