President Clinton Owes Us an Apology | Bernie Sanders

[Donkees]

[Thinkingabout]

1. Does Sanders remember the Crime bill he voted on in the 90's, is Sanders going to apologize

For his votes?

[Old Crow]

2. Senator Sanders was one of the most outspoken critics of the 1994 tough-on-crime bill.

He said the same things then that he's saying now, that it was "more a punishment bill, a retribution bill, a vengeance bill" than an anti-crime bill.

In the end, yes, he voted for it, with loudly voiced reservations, because the bill included two things he felt the country desperately needed: (1) almost two billion dollars to fund the Violence Against Women Act and (2) a ten-year ban on assault weapons.

You can read all about Senator Sanders' opposition to the misguided, vengeful aspects of the 1994 tough-on-crime bill--and see videos of him vociferously protesting those aspects--at the link below.

http://www.vox.com/2016/2/26/11116412/bernie-sanders-mass-incarceration

Now, Thinkingabout: Are you going to apologize for misrepresenting Sanders' record?

Somehow, I rather doubt it.

[Thinkingabout]

5. No, I have not misrepresented Sanders on the Crime bill, have you checked his

Voting record? BTW, check this one, does it remind you of Sanders.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110796707

[Old Crow]

7. Yes, you absolutely HAVE misrepresented Senator Sanders on the 1994 Crime Bill.

And somehow you're doubling down with a sound bite where Senator Sanders says that dangerous people should be incarcerated. Shocking!

It's patently obvious you didn't watch a single one of the videos included in the Vox story I linked to. If I didn't want to give you the benefit of the doubt, I'd almost think you were mindlessly regurgitating talking points.

[lastone]

8. Sycophants never question

They just spin spin spin

[BeanMusical]

14. +1

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

10. Don't waste your time... This person does the same round and round every time...

[BeanMusical]

13. +1 That one is so obvious.

[Old Crow]

17. Thanks for the heads-up; I see exactly what you mean.

Fortunately, DU is a small place and when a poster has a habit of making blindly partisan, dishonest posts, the honest majority of DU catches on pretty quickly.

Thanks again.

[Thinkingabout]

11. You can tell Sanders he has misrepresented his position, after this is him talking, not me.

[lastone]

15. a cut and paste hatchet job video

So let's politely ask you to go fuck yourself.

[Old Crow]

18. As another poster has said, this is a ridiculous hatchet job.

To describe it as dishonest would be generous.

It chops together two sentences out of context. I have no idea where the first sentence ("I think there is no disagreement that we need stong law enforcement&quot comes from. But the second sentence ("Clearly, there are people in our society who are horribly violent&quot comes from Senator Sanders' speech on the Senate floor criticizing the 1994 Crime Bill.

Here's the whole quote in context:

It is my firm belief that clearly there are people in our society who are horribly violent, who are deeply sick and sociopathic, and clearly these people must be put behind bars in order to protect society from them.

But it is also my view that through the neglect of our government and through a grossly irrational set of priorities, we are dooming today tens of millions of young people to a future of bitterness, misery, hopelessness, drugs, crime, and violence. And, Mr. Speaker, all the jails in the world — and we already imprison more people per capita than any other country — and all of the executions … in the world will not make that situation right.

We can either educate or electrocute. We can create meaningful jobs, rebuilding our society, or we can build more jails. Mr. Speaker, let us create a society of hope and compassion, not one of hate and vengeance.

As you can see, this quote makes clear the dishonesty of the hatchet-job video you've posted and the dishonesty of your own characterization of Senator Sanders' position on the 1994 Crime Bill.

As I said earlier, if I didn't want to give you the benefit of the doubt, I'd almost think you were mindlessly regurgitating talking points.

[Thinkingabout]

20. Then the hatchet job is Sanders hatchet job on himself.

[Old Crow]

23. Nah, I think you're confused.

Aside from the hatchet-job soundbites you posted, the only thing being butchered is your own credibility due to your own blindly partisan posts. Take a bow. You've earned it.

[Thinkingabout]

24. Here is Sanders statement, are you saying he was confused?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=25&v=sO_TElpjzyc&ebc=ANyPxKrfn7SAEKF8l3Dvza2Q5zpuHM3YyW0IWGlUM3V_Ytdl-Lf9rKwIPf6noIWnBnq1EEFH_QGjHtIXUu4Qpm0AUaaE3Jjy8w

[Old Crow]

25. You're struggling, apparently, with how this whole thread thing works, aren't you?

Because the basic idea is that you read the other person's post before you respond so that you can make relevant, sensible comments regarding the topic at hand.

In my post just above, I gave the actual text of Sanders' speech against the 1994 Crime Bill--you know, the full text out of which the sentence from your soundbite was ripped out of.

If you can't be bothered to read anything I've written, this trading of posts is a waste of both of our time.

[Thinkingabout]

26. Face it, he voted for the bill, the congressional record does not change, it is his record.

Struggling? No I am not struggling.

[Old Crow]

27. Yes, you clearly ARE struggling.

Go back and reread my first post (#2 in this thread). Either you never read it the first time or it went over your head because nothing you've posted subsequently addresses it.

[Thinkingabout]

28. No, the fact he voted for the crime bill will not change.

[Old Crow]

29. Nope, it won't. And clearly your inability to think beyond a partisan talking point...

... isn't about to change either. Have a good day!

[gordyfl]

16. Two short sentences taken out of context

that were probably followed by "however".

[Thinkingabout]

21. In his own words.

[Oldenuff]

19. Bill can howl and yowl for Hillary all he wants...He still isn't getting any. :)

n/t

[Thinkingabout]

22. In this case the one howling and yowling is Sanders.

[ConsiderThis_2016]

3. Is this at the Apollo in NYC?

[ConsiderThis_2016]

4. Did they point out how the Clinton Foundation...

up and moved a great deal of their operations from Harlem to Wall Street?

[Hydra]

6. Very succinct

Beating on the weakest and most vulnerable members of society for political gain. That's totally what I feel like down here. Rig the game then blame the need for more wealth and power on the people you just cheated.

[scottie55]

9. We Don't Have To Play The Republican Games Of Poor Shaming

To win.

Ever.

[BeanMusical]

12. Oh, far more than one.