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Karen Finney: Clinton Iraq Vote "How Many Years Ago Was That?" (Original Post) DFab420 Mar 2016 OP
No... RepubliCON-Watch Mar 2016 #1
I'm sure all those limbs have grown back by now, right? arcane1 Mar 2016 #2
That is really revolting. choie Mar 2016 #5
And it displays an arrogance that floriduck Mar 2016 #8
It also shows a belief choie Mar 2016 #9
Do you think families who lost loved ones dragonfly301 Mar 2016 #3
No as far as I'm concerned choie Mar 2016 #4
she's not accountable for her votes, but bernie is accountable for his, according to her noiretextatique Mar 2016 #6
She didn't (for) the Iraq war. Her vote was to force Iraq into doc03 Mar 2016 #7
No, her vote was for "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002" Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #11
Ontsa Warren Stupidity Mar 2016 #13
That is the definition of 'tone deaf'. Hey Finney, people are STILL dying! ViseGrip Mar 2016 #10
What is the statute of limitations on war crimes? Warren Stupidity Mar 2016 #12
Never! MoreGOPoop Mar 2016 #14
Agree to move on?! Carolina Mar 2016 #15
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
2. I'm sure all those limbs have grown back by now, right?
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:21 PM
Mar 2016

A person right here on DU referred to the Iraq war as "meh"

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
8. And it displays an arrogance that
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:37 PM
Mar 2016

permeates through the Clinton campaign. Finney's used that line many times as her canned response to the IWR.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
6. she's not accountable for her votes, but bernie is accountable for his, according to her
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:29 PM
Mar 2016

HYPOCRISY. is she accountable for this? it puts her vote in the proper prespective:

doc03

(35,359 posts)
7. She didn't (for) the Iraq war. Her vote was to force Iraq into
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:33 PM
Mar 2016

allowing UN inspectors to search or WMDs. How was she to know Bush would pull the UN inspectors out after not finding anything and attack Iraq? Didn't Bernie vote to fund the war?

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
11. No, her vote was for "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002"
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:47 PM
Mar 2016

How was she to know Bush would do what he did?

How could she not know Bush was not to be trusted. Many here certainly knew. Sanders knew.

Sanders voted AGAINST the resolution. Later, he voted for some funding bills, but mostly against, depending on what was in the bill.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
10. That is the definition of 'tone deaf'. Hey Finney, people are STILL dying!
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:45 PM
Mar 2016

Tell that to those still serving, and to those grieving.
How elitist she does sound.

MoreGOPoop

(417 posts)
14. Never!
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 05:37 PM
Mar 2016

I personally lost two people in Iraq- my cousin and my friend.
So, no, I will not be forgiving, forgetting or 'moving on' EVER.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
15. Agree to move on?!
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:27 PM
Mar 2016

What planet are you living on? Votes have consequences as do the ghastly speeches justifying such awful votes. There is no apology large enough, no justification valid enough to cover a cowardly, finger-in-the-wind vote that has caused so much death, debt, destruction and destabilization that persists to the day.

What this nation has done TO the Iraqi people is unforgiveable; and those who aided, abetted and defended such action are reprehensible.

As I have posted elsewhere and will state again here: what was and remains unfathomable was how any alleged Democratic 'leader' could vote for IWR when:

Reason 1: Iraq did not attack the US; fifteen of the nineteen hijackers were Saudis while the other four were from the UAE, Egypt, Yemen. They learned to fly here in the States (Florida, Arizona). Bin Laden was also Saudi!

Reason 2: Iraq had been under horrific UN sanctions since the first Bush war on Iraq in 1991; so how could it have morphed into an imminent threat to the US in 2002 when IWR was being peddled

Reason 3: W's administration introduced IWR and demanded a vote on it right before the 2002 midterm elections. Wise men questioned the timing and the rush but not those who voted aye... they had their eyes on being POTUS and cast calculating votes that reeked of political and moral cowardice.

Reason 4: Anyone who was paying attention knew about PNAC and therefore knew how the Bush cabal and Carlyle group had their eyes on carving up Iraq's oil fields. Clinton sure knew because the signers of PNAC policy papers wrote him seeking pre-emptive action while he was POTUS. And Kerry should have questioned pre-emptive war since he served in and then questioned Vietnam. He also should have questioned anything pushed by the Bushes because he had been part of the Senate investigation into Iran-Contra... about which the elder Bush as VP and former CIA chief claimed the big lie of having been "out of the loop."

Reason 5: the Bush cabal STOLE the White House in 2000 because they had their PNAC plans. Then, they ignored all the warnings/chatter leading up to 9/11 (remember the 8/6/2011 brief). They allege they were blindsided and could not have foreseen such an attack, but that flies in the face of the fact that the airspace had to be closed around the G-8 summit in Genoa, Italy in July 2001 which Bushco attended, precisely because of terrorists' threats to fly planes into buildings! So therefore, why would any sentient 'leader' of the opposition party trust or "have good faith" in ANYTHING proposed by W

Reason 6: Anyone who knew history, knew that Reagan sold WMDs to Saddam/Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war (recall the photo of Rumsfeld shaking Saddam's hand). So when Cheney took to the airwaves in 2002 talking about WMDs and said he knew where they were and how they'd been used against the Kurds, he was telling the truth... about 1988. He was using his dirty past to foment a new war for oil

Reason 7: the Bush cabal withdrew the weapons inspectors because they were not finding anything. Scott Ritter (who was smeared) and his fellow inspectors' findings would not/did not conform to the desired Bush narrative, so Colin Bowel sold his soul and did his 'tube' presentation to the UN

Reason 8: Citing the Tet Offensive during the Vietnam War, Robert Byrd gave an eloquent and passionate speech about lies that lead to war, about the waste of war, about the unintended consequences of war... and he challenged the rush to war. Bob Graham and Ted Kennedy spoke as well. Why didn't other Democratic 'leaders' listen to them rather than to Bush or Cheney? Through their aye votes, they gave Bush bipartisan cover and therefore, they have blood on their hands, too

Clearly the rationale for IWR was all a LIE, and if a little old Jane Q Citizen like me (along with thousands of other citizens) could see all this, why not Biden, Clinton, Dodd, Edwards and Kerry?! They all voted aye, they all ran for POTUS and they all lost. I held my nose and voted for Kerry-Edwards in 2004 because they were better than Bush, but it was unnerving to watch and listen to Kerry's meandering justifications when he was called out on his aye vote.

So in 2008, there was no way I was going to support HRC precisely because of her IWR vote. Again: votes have consequences as do the ghastly speeches justifying such awful votes. There is no apology large enough, no justification valid enough to cover a cowardly, finger-in-the-wind vote that has caused so much death, debt, destruction and destabilization!

That women should never be president.

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