Listen Up Bernie Supporters…Get a Grip. (Our own retrowire gets cited!)

[Bubzer]

[StandingInLeftField]

1. Great analysis by Hartmann, as usual.

And.....GO RETRO! I like the retrowire tremendously. Such insight and enthusiasm at a relatively young age.

[erlewyne]

91. StandingInLeftField this is a a great thread!

I wanted to catch the mention of retrowire and "get a grip".
I expected to have to wait for several minutes (out of eight
minutes) but retrowire was mentioned immediately and
I was captivated. I will now search for Hartmann in the
future. You have unintentionally changed my perspective
when searching on DU. As far as retrowire is concerned
I read that persons post and did read "get a grip". I was just
curious about why Hartmann would mention retrowire (nosey).

I am just out there in left field waiting for a fly ball.

[merrily]

2. Yeayyy. retrowire!

[deutsey]

3. That's excellent

Thanks for posting!

I've said before, I was delighted when I heard that Sanders was running and I remain a supporter (just as I've supported him since the '90s). However, I honestly didn't think he would get the nomination when he first announced. I hoped at best that he'd be able to raise some things I knew the mainstream candidates and media would ignore.

It's been amazing to see him resonate so strongly with people that he actually has forced the media and parties to reckon with him (and, more importantly, his message/movement).

I won't be devastated if he doesn't get the nomination. I'm more interested in continuing to build the movement he's ignited after the election regardless of who wins.

[Wounded Bear]

11. In many ways...

I consider Bernie as already having won. Like you, I have been dying to hear something, anything, resembling some leftward movement in our country after the last 40 years of inexorable right leaning crap.

He has generated some buzz, and Hillary has altered some of her message to encapsulate some of his.

Even some of the media has awakened to be a bit more critical of RW positions and candidates.

For that much, at least, I am thankful that Bernie has run. And hey, he's not mathematically eliminated yet.

[zentrum]

20. That's exactly right.

He's already won.

[Land of Enchantment]

4. Way to Go Retrowire!

Who, btw, has been an inspiration and a motivating force here. Thanks!

[roguevalley]

23. Bernie will win. ignore the negativity. the

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Alternative is unthinkable

[appalachiablue]

5. K&R The way it is...Bernie's movement is alive and growing absolutely!

'Some Perspective' OP from Fawke Em, Wed. March 16, 2016:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280149097

[Spitfire of ATJ]

22. To listen to the media you'd think Bernie was a sliver.

[appalachiablue]

32. It's all corporate spin lies. Like Chris Matthews saying Bernie is against trade,

when he's for Fair Trade, and not unbalanced 'Free Trade'...

[Spitfire of ATJ]

72. Tweety thinks Bernie is a communist.

[appalachiablue]

74. Sure does. But a week ago with DeBlasio CM brought up the s word

and the mayor explained briefly. There was no problem or venom. This just after DB went on long winder about how great the progressive Dem. Party is, with no mention of Sen. Sanders. The tone and distain are determined by insider v. outsider it seems.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

75. Malloy said once that Tweety's authoritarian streak was from being an altar boy....

It caused a major father figure fixation.

[appalachiablue]

77. Could be, interesting. One father figure/mentor was surely Tip O'Neil I reckon.

When De Blasio was elected it was viewed as a big progressive win. Since then I've seen little of him except speaking out once on shootings of black people a couple years back. On Morning Joke last month and with Matthews last week he didn't impress me as a prog at all, but pretty establishment. Also heard he ran HC's campaign in 2000. Whatev-

Matthews' wife Kathleen was a well liked local news anchor in DC. Like other figures, esp. in news and sports they could be seen at regular burger and Mexican places in NW where all the local network stations were located and near my husband's worksite. Chris is hard to miss with his height, 6'3", size and hair. Way back but seems not so long ago really.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

78. I picture Tweety with a martini chumming it up with Kissinger.

[Art_from_Ark]

89. Either that, or

reminiscing about how "manly" Bush looked in his codpiece-equipped flight suit on Mission Accomplished Day.

[hopemountain]

81. or "no foreign policy experience" - chris hayes nt

[klook]

33. ...and to some folks on DU

[appalachiablue]

56. Yes, sorry to say. Like Bernie is 'anti-international' and 'nativist' along with

many other lies going around...

[reACTIONary]

55. It's the delta, not the ratio ...

... it's clinton's lead, 314, not the ratio, 1.4 to 1, that counts. To overcome the lead, Sanders would have to win very large margins over and over again. Clinton just has to win 50% or so over and over. And will probably win larger. So the attrition in sander's position is (almost) inevitable and overcoming clinton's lead is (almost ) impossible.

[JDPriestly]

63. I think Bernie will do extremely well in Oregon and California.

He is in favor of taking marijuana off the list of controlled substances, and that will take him very far. I am not a marijuana user, but here in California medical marijuana is legal. The federal law however does not fully recognize our choice here in California. This will be a big issue in the California primary. Bernie is way ahead on it.

Same in Oregon which has chosen to make marijuana legal.

It will be a Colorado all over in the Pacific states. Bernie won by 20% there. And we have huge numbers of delegates. Hillary will have some support, but Bernie will have a lot more.

Hillary can't backtrack on her marijuana views. That would make her look ridiculously dishonest.

And, in my view (and I don't like alcohol or marijuana and don't use either), marijuana is so much less dangerous as far as we can tell than alcohol that I think it should be legal and subject to the FDA's control. The quality and strength and ingredients of what is sold as marijuana should be regulated.

[reACTIONary]

65. Good luck, we may all be surprised . ...

..... or at least those of us who are sceptical of his chances.

[JDPriestly]

67. I live in California. He will do well here.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

73. Keep in mind that Hillary won California the last time only to lose to Obama.

[JDPriestly]

79. I don't think she will do well in my part of Los Angeles at all.

I have already been out doing some light canvassing, and everybody I meet loves Bernie.

[Hortensis]

84. This is very BAD for Sanders, tho. CA has large minority populations.

Also very bad for Sanders - white voters average older and comfortable economically.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

86. Why would a former Civil Rights worker do badly?

[Hortensis]

92. Gee, why IS he doing badly?

This has been discussed at great and redundant length both here and in national media. Denial doesn't ever make problems just go away. In fact, in this case denial has made the problem much worse.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

94. What do you feel is being "denied"?

[Hortensis]

95. More to the point,

"Medical Definition of denial: a psychological defense mechanism in which confrontation with a personal problem or with reality is avoided by denying the existence of the problem or reality."

The end.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

96. That's not an answer.

[cyberpj]

6. The 1/2 hour MSNBC & CNN spent televising Trump's empty podium vs. covering Sanders says it all. nt

[blm]

27. pathetic…..

Another time when I miss MWO.

[Lorien]

35. Our silence implies consent

Other than voting, donating to Bernie, and talking to people you know about Bernie's policy positions and history, THE SINGLE GREATEST THING you can do to help his campaign is to WRITE A HARD COPY LETTER to the media protesting their Bernie Blackout and wall to wall Trump coverage! Mention that you will be contacting and boycotting their advertisers if they continue the Bernie blackout and Trump "infomercials". I know people who work in newsrooms, and I am told that one hard copy letter has the weight of 100 emails to a news director. This is, they have added, a huge reason why the media skews to the Right; right wingers mail in letters frequently, the Left never does, so the perception is that only the right wing is dissatisfied with their "reporting". Let us change that notion TODAY!

Please borrow time from posting here and on Facebook TODAY to write letters to FIVE of the organizations listed below. When finished, post the text of your letter and who you contacted to this thread.

ABC News: 147 Columbus Ave. New York, NY 10023

CBS News: 524 W. 57 St. New York, NY 10019

NBC News: 30 Rockefeller Plaza, New York, N.Y. 10112

MSNBC: One MSNBC Plaza, Secaucus, NJ 07094

CNN: One CNN Center, Atlanta, GA, 30303

New York Times: 620 8th Ave. New York, NY 10018

The Washington Post: 1301 K Street NW, Washington DC 20071


Timing is CRITICAL, DO THIS TODAY for Bernie!!

[cyberpj]

37. Thank you for the addresses. I will be writing today. Might you consider posting

as Primaries and/or Bernie Forum Thread of it's own?

Thanks again.

On my way to write.

[Lorien]

42. I did. It's in the Bernie forum

with an inflammatory title, since those are the only ones that attract attention around here!

[xloadiex]

7. I listend to this show yesterday

after a morning of seeing nothing but a shit stew on TV and feeling pretty low, Thom was the only one who lifted my spirits. When he mentioned retro I yelled "Hey, I know him." LOL

[valerief]

8. Woo hoo, Retrowire! Grip, engaged. nt

[zebonaut]

9. Trump is on his way to be nominee. Sanders supporters must declare an Emergency

and get their little asses in gear...

[Duval]

10. Wow! That's great.

Congrats retrowire!

[Skwmom]

12. This isn't 1976. Big money controls our governmment even more.

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Bernie has not changed the Democratic Party. He has changed the rhetoric. People are getting really desperate when they say parroting is a good thing.

And DWS has a challenger! OMG! What a revolution. It's not like that hasn't ever happened before.

Well Thom, all I can say is you certainly turned out to play the role I expected all along.

What a dog and pony show.

[Phlem]

14. Thanks for your concern. Don't be sad.

Hillary will still prove to be as horrible as we all know.

It's OK.

[Bubzer]

30. "Hillary will still prove to be as horrible as we all know." - Of this, I have no doubts.

[CoffeeCat]

50. Anyone who believes that Hillary is a "Progressive"

is in for a rude awakening. I still can't believe that anyone would buy into that.

Obama ran as a candidate who was to the left of Hillary. And with his administration there were some incredible Progressive wins. However, we all know that there were more disappointments and some of the players with whom he surrounded himself--were definitely not Progressive.

However, I have to thank Obama for his measured foreign-policy approach. His Iran deal held at bay the neocons who want action on Iran. His actions on Syria, kept us out of a full-blown war there--when the neocons were pressuring him 24/7 to put boots on the ground. Libya was Hillary's project--with Robert Kagan (founder of the neocon movement) sitting as one of her hand-picked advisers.

If Hillary as our President, there will be no one saying, "No" to more neocon wars. Progressives don't pick the founder of the neocon movement to advise them. Progressives don't hand the neocons Libya on a silver platter, which is what Hillary did.

I find this chilling and frightening. We will have a more aggressive war-based approach to the Middle East with Hillary as President.

I don't see how anyone can ignore this or excuse it away. I assume that her supporters just don't care (or are in denial). Or maybe they've decided that Bush's warmongering really isn't that bad, after all.

It's mind boggling.

[Bubzer]

51. +1

[Nickel79]

80. Exactly

Thank you! Someone here was referring to HRC as a "champion of equality" earlier. I nearly threw up.

[dchill]

88. +1. Agree totally!

[Ned_Devine]

15. Right. Since when is mimicking the other candidate to get more votes a good thing?

Where I'm from that's called pandering at best plagiarism at worst. People trust her? Not according to the polls. What a joke. Enough of this party line bull. To them, it's just red team vs. blue team and the rest of us can eat shit.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

26. Don't you know it's not about issues?

It's about "who can win" based on polls.

(Unless the polls don't fit the selection).

[Phlem]

47. Spot on. It's called the last midterms.

How conveniently we forget.

[Raster]

17. You are so correct...this is NOT 1976.

This is 2016 and this a whole new game.

And how awesome that Debbie the Dino has a challenger. It is about time.

[Skwmom]

21. And big money controls our government more than it ever did.

[Raster]

25. very true. IMHO, the death of Democracy comes not with a bang, nor a whimper...

...it comes with the sound of a cash register... or more accurately, no sound at all. Because digital money makes no audible sound, however, its unaudible sounds resound thunderously around the world.

[Phlem]

48. Which begs the question, why Hillary then?

honestly I would like to know.

[appalachiablue]

36. Toxic Schultz must go & soon, from Both positions. All sucess to Tim Canova in FL!

[Ghost Dog]

38. ... And, would it be possible to ascertain what has become

of the state of this person's personal wealth in the meantime..?

[appalachiablue]

40. The Wasserman Schultz' are quite well off I would think and the husband is a banker..

[Ghost Dog]

44. Oh, doubtless.

(Wouldn't be qualified (sic) for the job otherwise, right?)

And that wealth will have greatly increased in probably untraceable ways while she's been in that job, I merely conjecture.

[retrowire]

13. I am currently on vacation and my wife told me I can

check DU while she's picking up some groceries.

I must admit I didn't expect this! I'm very humbled! Thank you for the citation Thom and I'm happy to help give you content for your great show!

To every one else, I am humbled as well but like Bernie said, this is all about us. I'm happy my words have helped keep us together and focused with our eye on the prize.

I love you all!

Now I gotta get back to enjoying my vacation!

[Phlem]

16. You kick ass bud!

Nice job.

[yuiyoshida]

18. Hey Congrats!!

Omedetou gozaimasu!!!

[840high]

24. ...

[thereismore]

28. YEAH!

[ChiciB1]

45. Hi retrowire... I'm Sure You Don't Recall This, But Way Back

when you had very few posts, I posted a comment to you about how much I was inspired by you and commenting about my millennial grand kids.

I applauded the fact that you were so involved and that you were the future to carry us forward. WELL, now I'm so happy for you and for getting recognized.

I've watched and replied to many of your posts since then and am glad that I saw this in you way back then. It came through then, and you have been a super leader for Bernie and HERE at DU!

I'm going to follow this post with a post I made to a person who just essentially said Bernie supporters were losers and THEY (Hillary supporters) won. I think it also told us to "get over it!"

I've never done anything more than comment so I don't even know how to link to the thread I started. I'm very busy with many things and just never seem to find the time to dig into these things. It may be very simple, just haven't done it. I post quickly, check several more out, leave for a while and come back when I can. And I've been here since 2004!!!

[LiberalArkie]

46. Well you do happen to be one of the most intelligent person on several discussion boards.

And a very good and eloquent writer to boot.

Enjoy

[ChiciB1]

53. This Is A Reply To A Hillary Supporter Who Said THEY'RE THE WINNERS!

But You Aren't THE WINNERS! We Still Believe & No Matter What

you want to call it, what the Clintons have done and what they're offering IS on the way out. EVEN IF Hillary should get the nomination it's pretty apparent that Bernie HAS BEEN the REAL CHANGE. Much more so than Obama ever was or has been.

I have two millennial grand children who I see ALL the time, they come over and talk to me and I hear them. They ARE the new generation that's emerging and they tell me straight up they REALLY, REALLY don't like her. They don't see her as someone they want to follow. I'm a Boomer from the SAME generation and age group as Bernie. I KNOW that we really DID change things!

We had our Revolution back then. From the time I was in high school which was moving away from the "Happy Days" syndrome, we began to see we had been LIED to for many years. Soon smoking dope, dropping out, the music revolution began morphing into real Liberalism. There was a REVOLUTION and the upheaval in fact turned bloody in many cities around this country! NIXON DID get elected and it then GOT WORSE!

I honestly don't think this movement can be stopped, my grand kids KNOW they've been lied to and they are looking for a different way. You can say you've WON, have at it. Winning an election doesn't mean YOU WIN! What I've come to realize is that the Hillary supporters are unwilling to look forward and are holding onto OLD ideas that are in NO WAY Progressive. You aren't going to be able to stop this and THIS is why Bernie EXCITES thousands and thousands of people.

IF America is to really SHINE again, it needs to throw away THE PAST and move forward! Even The Hillary Logo sends a negative message, just like the very boring Logo that was designed as THE NEW DEMOCRATIC Logo. A logo is supposed to "speak to and say something," it doesn't! It looks like a circle with a D in the middle like a bulls eye! An H with an arrow through it, pointing to the RIGHT says OOPS, we ARE the right wing of the Party.

Upon reflection over night and after having my discussion with Bernie supporters, maybe what we're REALLY thinking and saying is BERNIE REALLY MUST STAY & BE SUPPORTED because of these facts! POWER BROKERS & most of our DEMOCRATIC Leaders will be dragged along or THEY will be OUT! Bernie may be 74, but he's almost as young as my grand children, he's showing them a NEW way and he's exciting them!

I think too many people aren't giving the millennials the the credit they deserve. They're smarter than you think and they have a real work ethic. Thankfully my daughter had the forethought to come to me when they were babies and ask if I would help contribute to their college funds. My husband & I have never been anything but middle class, he worked at Verizon WITH a Union, I worked at loan companies and typesetting because I got married to keep my husband from being drafted and didn't go to college! Without the Union we would never had made it!

My grand son graduated from FSU and is working and pursuing his Master's in Computer Programming at the same time. My grand daughter who will soon finish undergraduate school will go to UF to get her degree in accounting. Even WITH the college funds they have gotten, close $100,00 each, they both have school loans to pay off! YUUUUGE ISSUE for them, PLUS Climate Change. And right now BOTH of them are living at home because they can't afford to move out. My grand daughter has had to save her money so she can move into a place with TWO room mates!

What MY Generation & Their Generation have so much in common is that I was part of the last REVOLUTION, THEY will soon begin THE NEW REVOLUTION!

[Thespian2]

54. Have a wonderful vacation, retrowire...

[mountain grammy]

19. First, congrats to retrowire

Second, thanks Thom. We will have power at the convention and we must be sure to use it..our party and the entire country needs a big push to the left and must aggressively attack climate change while changing a war based foreign policy to one of peace and diplomacy. Obama has been taking a lead on these issues lately and we can't let our part go back to republican lite.

[stage left]

29. Congratulations on the mention, Retrowire.

It's #StillSanders for me.

[Arizona Roadrunner]

30. Bernie has to remain viable given Clinton's potential legal issues

Given Clinton's potential legal problems involving her current issues and the potential conflicts of interest with monies passing to, through the Clinton Foundation and who gave what for speaking "fees" for both Bill and Hillary and why, she could have problems before being elected. Expect the Republican's to open impeachment hearings as soon as she is sworn into office. Sander's doesn't have such baggage and might actually be able to concentrate on governing and an agenda.

[hopemountain]

82. just how much can she hold on her plate with the investigations

and subpoenas in addition to handling the everyday demands/crises with presiding over the country? i don't see how this would be possible for anyone.

i'm wondering if the reason the clinton campaign wanted bernie to withdraw by now is that by keeping her the front runner bogs down the investigations. lots of the establishment are pushing for her.

[Lorien]

34. Get Active! Are you serious?

Yes, I AM! How about YOU?

Other than voting, donating to Bernie, and talking to people you know about Bernie's policy positions and history, THE SINGLE GREATEST THING you can do to help his campaign is to WRITE A HARD COPY LETTER to the media protesting their Bernie Blackout and wall to wall Trump coverage! Mention that you will be contacting and boycotting their advertisers if they continue the Bernie blackout and Trump "infomercials". I know people who work in newsrooms, and I am told that one hard copy letter has the weight of 100 emails to a news director. This is, they have added, a huge reason why the media skews to the Right; right wingers mail in letters frequently, the Left never does, so the perception is that only the right wing is dissatisfied with their "reporting". Let us change that notion TODAY!

Please borrow time from posting here and on Facebook TODAY to write letters to FIVE of the organizations listed below. When finished, post the text of your letter and who you contacted to this thread.

ABC News: 147 Columbus Ave. New York, NY 10023

CBS News: 524 W. 57 St. New York, NY 10019

NBC News: 30 Rockefeller Plaza, New York, N.Y. 10112

MSNBC: One MSNBC Plaza, Secaucus, NJ 07094

CNN: One CNN Center, Atlanta, GA, 30303

New York Times: 620 8th Ave. New York, NY 10018

The Washington Post: 1301 K Street NW, Washington DC 20071


Timing is CRITICAL, DO THIS TODAY for Bernie!!

[basselope]

39. Sadly, here's my takeaway from this

IF Bernie doesn't get the nomination (and yes, that is till an IF), we have to hope for Clinton to lose for real change to be possible.

He referenced 1976 when Reagan went up against Ford. Ford goes on to lose to Carter.. Reagan then tries again in 1980 and starts 35 years of right wing BS, that unfortunately, the democratic party bought into.

SO.. if you follow the logic... Clinton has to lose for the revolution to continue. Because Clinton losing will be the only thing that may force the democratic party to look within itself and say "what are we doing wrong".. why isn't our base turning out in droves?

If Clinton "wins" the revolution dies b/c we all know she isn't going to move towards single payer.. she will build on the broken ACA. She isn't going to move to REAL wall street regulation or REAL campaign finance reform.

But, from the party perspective her #winning will reinforce that they don't need to change.. the revolution was not necessary.

[FighttheFuture]

90. Sadly, I tend to agree. Only with great pain will there be great change, usually. The pain here

is not the masses, though they need to suffer greatly to effect the change, but the pain the "owners", the "establishment" feels.

When you see heads of the masters rolling down the street, you know change will occur. That usually only happens when the masses, fed up, rise up and bring about the change they need. It can be peaceful, as a Bernie Sanders being elected would be, or violent, as a Trump would probably be. Clinton is tepid tea that will likely not do much one way or the other, so the pressure will keep on building with her. I hope I would be wrong if she wins, but nothing shows me otherwise.

[bbgrunt]

41. big k and r! way to go retro!

[turbinetree]

43. Thanks To Retrowire and to Thom...............................

yes------------------------ we have the ability to have a say "if" our candidate concedes this election, he has over 856 delegates right now, and they / we have a right to be heard and have a right to have our collective voices heard to what we the people want on this platform and this party.

He has energized the left wing which I am proud to say I am, in fact I think I will say it again the "progressive left wing liberal...


Honk------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[SoapBox]

49. retrowire the Superstar!

Autographs?



So then...I agreed with most of the clip but...when he said "she" is a good candidate, a solid candidate and people trust her...

Trust her to do WHAT???

I don't trust her at all.

[senz]

60. Thom is trying very hard

to be supportive of Hillary b/c she might be the Dem nominee and Thom does not want to be on record as having undercut the Dem nominee & therefore allowing a Republican to win.

I heard the podcast of this broadcast last night, and the bit about "trusting" Hill stopped me in my tracks. Thom is intelligent and well-meaning, but maybe he's too busy to delve very deeply into these things. Or something. I still love him, but...wow.

[gordyfl]

52. I Think "Movement" Could Be Equivalent To "Third Party"

"The Political Revolution"

We'll see. The FBI hasn't wrapped up it's investigation. Things could get even more interesting before the Democratic Convention - or after.

[NurseJackie]

62. Well ...

[gordyfl]

68. Do you pretend

there's no FBI investigation, or are going to "wish" it goes away?

I'm glad ONE democratic candidate is not under FBI investigation.

[leftofcool]

69. How many times does the FBI have to tell you that Hillary is not the target of an investigation?

If you would read the FBI statement, you would know this.

[gordyfl]

76. Yes,

She's just a "person of interest".

[NurseJackie]

70. Ha! :-D

[YOHABLO]

57. Thom is the gift that keeps on giving. I've come to rely on his political perspective.

[JEB]

58. Empty podium media. eom

[Petrushka]

59. K & R -- Thanks for the link! --- Posted it to my Facebook page.

[JDPriestly]

61. K&R.

[bvf]

64. WTG, retrowire!

[Dont call me Shirley]

66. Gripped, retro. Thanks, Bubzer!

[Bubzer]

85. No problem!

[floppyboo]

71. TYT had the speech on, but they were talking too much, and cutaway to Trump

I was sad about that. Is Cenk sad too? Get better man! It's alright! Onward!

[Madmiddle]

83. I will not bother to vote if Bernie isn't the nominee.

Hillary will continue with the right wing agenda.

[lonestarnot]

87. hmmf. That is just ignorant. I am sure Bernie would advise against not voting if he is not the

nominee.

[raouldukelives]

93. K&R We live in the most reality corporations will allow.

If it is bad for shareholders and for profits, it will not be allowed.

They alone hold the power to change our country, to change our institutional system of racism, to change our constant drums for warfare, to change our exploitation of the poorest of the world and of our shared commons that are being left hollower and ever hotter for future generations.

There are people that vote for change, and there are people that work for change. Anyone in Wall St, who thinks they are working for any change, but that of the dreams of neocons and republicans, is fooling themselves and assuring they leave only a legacy of capitulation and adoration of criminals in the face of the greatest crisis our world has faced.

They create and foist this false media and narrative against their own "people" with each dollar. They ignore, distort the facts and straight up lie about candidates and issues that threaten the corporate gravy train.

And some of them still have the audacity to wonder why things keep getting worse.