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GoLeft TV

(3,910 posts)
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 06:20 PM Feb 2016

Debbie Wasserman Schultz Has Rigged The System For Hillary Clinton



The Democratic Party’s superdelegate system is broken, and it’s been clear that the system was rigged from the start against Bernie Sanders. America’s Lawyer, Mike Papantonio, and Farron Cousins discuss this.
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Debbie Wasserman Schultz Has Rigged The System For Hillary Clinton (Original Post) GoLeft TV Feb 2016 OP
They will reap what they've sown, and it will not be sweet. highprincipleswork Feb 2016 #1
Problem is: WE will reap what they've sown, too. FiveGoodMen Feb 2016 #2
I know. That's the real suck. That's why I take this dark mood, move thru it, and do more to help. highprincipleswork Feb 2016 #14
If Sanders' wife had been running the DNC, we'd hear the same as long as he's behind. The excuses Hoyt Feb 2016 #3
So DWS is HRC's wife? dchill Feb 2016 #6
Do you know how much you sound like a Republican with INdemo Feb 2016 #10
Do you know how much you sound like whiner, who believes the world is out Hoyt Feb 2016 #16
Like I said Republican INdemo Feb 2016 #23
And... Thespian2 Feb 2016 #19
You might want to consider your responses a bit more carefully. n/t gregcrawford Feb 2016 #20
Why? Ever since Sanders blamed his staff's data theft on Clinton, it's been apparent. Hoyt Feb 2016 #21
Bernie didn't do the investigation. -none Feb 2016 #27
Of course you have a link--not to a conspiracy site, but to a news outlet--that backs you up on MADem Feb 2016 #28
b.s. this is the same system that obama faced and had no problem saturnsring Feb 2016 #4
The DNC could have made a principled decision and denied Sanders the opportunity FlatBaroque Feb 2016 #8
Obama is a Third Way dem, sulphurdunn Feb 2016 #17
No it is not the same system..The DNC was not funneling campaign contributions to Hillary INdemo Feb 2016 #24
excuses excuses -- that isnt gonna stop bernie from winning over the delegates even if it were true saturnsring Feb 2016 #38
I dont get it all I said was the DNC is different than 2008..as in more corrupt. INdemo Feb 2016 #39
ha ha. Did you cry when Obama was under its spell?? riversedge Feb 2016 #5
Yes, she has, oldandhappy Feb 2016 #7
obama had no trouble witht the same system saturnsring Feb 2016 #9
I think it gets worse each cycle, and I understand you comment. oldandhappy Feb 2016 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author litlbilly Feb 2016 #12
It's the same system that's been around for 34 years frazzled Feb 2016 #13
All delegates are equal, sulphurdunn Feb 2016 #18
2008-great !!...2012-nearly great, at least....how were 2010 and 2014? islandmkl Feb 2016 #15
I'm voting for Bernie Sanders. erlewyne Feb 2016 #22
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #25
The super-delegate system has been around for something like 60 years Renew Deal Feb 2016 #26
"Democratic"...They keep using that word. I do not think it means what they think it means. deutsey Feb 2016 #29
+1!!!!!!! RiverLover Feb 2016 #31
:-) deutsey Feb 2016 #32
when and if bernie fails to be elected it will be his fault no one else. stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #30
Every person with an Corporate and/or Wall Street label branded in his/her soul..... desmiller Feb 2016 #33
^^^ This ^^^ cantbeserious Feb 2016 #35
This Revolt Has Been Building For Years - The DWS, DNC, DLC, Third-Way Has Only Themselves To Blame cantbeserious Feb 2016 #34
Good luck rigging the general for Hillary d_b Feb 2016 #36
The Democratic party is corrupt AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #37
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
3. If Sanders' wife had been running the DNC, we'd hear the same as long as he's behind. The excuses
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 06:28 PM
Feb 2016

are laughable.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
10. Do you know how much you sound like a Republican with
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 07:00 PM
Feb 2016

that comment..Really ...How would you explain how Debbie Wassermann Schultz is getting by with smuggling $$ funding from the DNC to the Clinton campaign? You must be direct form the Clinton campaign with your script in hand from David Brock because when you come up with this kind of Bull Shit.It appears like something he would write for you to say or a quote from Karl Roves book.
Why did Hillary Clinton even bother organizing a Campaign when all she would ave had to do was to move right in to the DNC Headquarters like she see did in Nevada.

Hillary Clinton is the first candidate ever to be owned by Wall St. Goldman Sachs and the DNC all at the same time.
Hillary .if God forbids,wins the nomination she will be the first candidate to ever have purchased the nomination with funds from the DNC and GolmanSachs together.

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
19. And...
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 07:41 PM
Feb 2016

she will lose the general election...

So, if one wishes to elect a Repukkkian, support the 1%er...


 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
21. Why? Ever since Sanders blamed his staff's data theft on Clinton, it's been apparent.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 07:57 PM
Feb 2016

By the way, when is he gonna release that internal investigation?

-none

(1,884 posts)
27. Bernie didn't do the investigation.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:24 PM
Feb 2016

It was farmed out. It quietly died when it came out that Hillary's crew could and did access Bernie's campaign data. So talk to Hillary about this.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
28. Of course you have a link--not to a conspiracy site, but to a news outlet--that backs you up on
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:34 PM
Feb 2016

that charge?

I'd love to see it.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
8. The DNC could have made a principled decision and denied Sanders the opportunity
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 06:55 PM
Feb 2016

what do you think was their thinking?

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
17. Obama is a Third Way dem,
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 07:32 PM
Feb 2016

as was Bill Clinton, as is HRC. They run the party. It's small wonder Obama had no problem. The Clinton/Obama primary was a fight of the Third Way establishment democrats. Had Clinton won it would have made no difference to the party establishment.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
24. No it is not the same system..The DNC was not funneling campaign contributions to Hillary
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:10 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Thu Feb 25, 2016, 11:19 AM - Edit history (1)

in 2008 like they are now.The DNC did not have an incompetent Republican as the Chairman in 2008

 

saturnsring

(1,832 posts)
38. excuses excuses -- that isnt gonna stop bernie from winning over the delegates even if it were true
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 11:00 AM
Feb 2016

Response to saturnsring (Reply #9)

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
13. It's the same system that's been around for 34 years
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 07:16 PM
Feb 2016

Superdelegates were introduced in 1982. There are 4,763 pledged delegates, and then there are around 712 super delegates (15% of the total delegates). These include every elected Democratic office-holder--yes, Bernie Sanders is a superdelegate. There are all 44 Democratic senators and 188 Democratic Congresspersons; as well as 18 governors; then there are the DNC members--state party chairs and vice chairs from all 50 states and national committeemen and women. And then there are former high-ranking officials (Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale, etc.). There's a list of all the superdelegates at the link:

There are basically three ways one can become a superdelegate, according to the DNC Charter.

The first is through holding political office. All Democratic governors, senators, and House representatives automatically get a spot as a superdelegate. This is why Bernie Sanders will have a spot as a Vermont superdelegate. Superdelegate Bernie Sanders will presumably pledge to support presidential candidate Bernie Sanders — just like President Barack Obama pledged his own superdelegate support to himself in 2008.

The second is through being a DNC member. There are 20 ways in which you can be a member of the DNC, most of which involve being a high-ranking member of a DNC leadership group. (Details in Article 3, Section 2 of the DNC charter.)

The third is being an especially distinguished member of the party. This is a small group, only about 20 people or so. If you're a current or former president, vice president, Senate leader, House leader, or DNC chair, then you're a superdelegate. This is why Barack Obama, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Joe Biden, Al Gore, Walter Mondale, Howard Dean, and George Mitchell are superdelegates.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/2/22/11070364/list-all-superdelegates


Primaries are the way in which the political parties choose their candidates, culminating in a convention for each party in which delegates vote. They are not general elections (too many, I think, don't understand this concept). I think that people dissatisfied with the nominating process should work to form their own parties, with their own primaries and conventions. In fact, they do. There's the Libertarian Party, the Green Party, etc., who decide with far less general participation who their candidates will be. There used to be (and for all I know still is) a Democratic Socialist Party. Primaries have become increasingly open over the past few decades, allowing people from outside the party to participate in deciding the party's nominee. It seems only right to me that a party, in return for this openness, should be able to have some representation in their own nominating process. How would the Green Party like it if outsiders flooded its process and started voting to install a candidate that did not adhere to their general platform, or who had never been aligned with their party? I can tell you, what would ensue would be far less democratic than what occurs in the Democratic Party system.

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
15. 2008-great !!...2012-nearly great, at least....how were 2010 and 2014?
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 07:22 PM
Feb 2016

Democrats really followed through, didn't we?

DWS/DNC not even supporting what they considered progressive candidates...and worse, in 2014 we saw Dems running away from, and not even mentioning, Obama...how'd that work out?

Third Way:...Democrat...Republican...almost Republican>Third Way

Renew Deal

(81,861 posts)
26. The super-delegate system has been around for something like 60 years
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:24 PM
Feb 2016

And the DNC has reduced the number of super-delegates since 2008.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
31. +1!!!!!!!
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:20 PM
Feb 2016

When you can make people laugh while exposing a brutal truth, you are a gift to the world. Thanks for making the point & making me smile. (I love that movie!!)

desmiller

(747 posts)
33. Every person with an Corporate and/or Wall Street label branded in his/her soul.....
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:34 PM
Feb 2016

fears Sanders. From the Corporate/Wall Street Dems to the Corporate Media, they are throwing the kitchen sink, the toilet, and the cesspool at that man. Even Historical figures has fallen to the point that they have to play dirty. Sanders in White House = no payday.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
37. The Democratic party is corrupt
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:17 AM
Feb 2016

We are what the Republican party used to be. A bird can't fly with two right wings.

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