Elizabeth Warren says TPP Transpacific Partnership trade deal is unbelievably bad

[gyroscope]

Say goodbye to our sovereignty if Congress approves it.

[NowSam]

1. So she should endorse Bernie eom

[Hoyt]

3. She's playing politics, gonna wait to see if he will win.

[Hoyt]

2. Sounds like Sovereign Citizens Movement. She still talking about how we won't see the

agreement for 4 years After approved by Congress.

[gyroscope]

4. The TPP is as bad or worse than Sovereign Citizens

"Sovereign citizens are anti-government extremists who believe that even though they physically reside in this country, they are separate or “sovereign” from the United States."

[Hoyt]

6. You really afraid those foreigners are going to take our sovereignty? It's laughable to hear that.

[gyroscope]

8. If by foreigners you mean multinational corporations,

yes it would effectively mean the end of American sovereignty if it goes through.
btw, foreign govts would also be allowed to sue the US govt under TTP.

but of course that's just fine and dandy with you. do you know what the penalty for treason is?

[Hoyt]

9. They are foreign corporations like Siemens, Toyota, etc. You don't even understand the reasons they

can sue, nor how arbiters are selected.

[gyroscope]

11. Their should be no arbitration, period

If a corporation has a problem with our laws

a) they can go through the court system like everyone else.

b) leave the country and don't come back, good riddance

c) start a SuperPac to legally bribe a Congressperson or President to rewrite the law for them

[Hoyt]

12. Well, watch companies go elsewhere taking their jobs and tax revenue. And believe it or not, TPP is

not just about America. There is a reason other countries, including all the European Union want in on the TPP, and TransAtlantic.

Ever been through a trade war. Today, we will not fare very well.

I'd like to see how you get universal healthcare, education, welfare, jobs, etc., without the evil corporations (I'm for regulating them and taxing the heck out of them for social programs).

My guess is you, and most of the folks grousing, work for corporations.

[gyroscope]

13. Uh, no

there will be other companies to fill the void and replace the jobs.

corporations that refuse to abide by our legal, ethical and environmental standards do more harm than good, and are not wanted nor needed. they can pack up and go to China where there won't be anything there to hinder them; where they are free to pay slave wages and destroy the environment, etc. they won't be allowed to turn the US into China if anyone can help it.

[Hoyt]

14. Under TPP, the grounds for suing is that the foreign company was treated differently from domestic

corporations. You should study up on that aspect, and how the arbitration works -- you might learn something if you read the Arbitration Rules of the United Nations Commission on International Trade Law (UNCITRAL) and the Rules of the International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes (ICSID Rules), because those are the rules used. I guess you are against the United Nations too.

[gyroscope]

15. Thanks for the laugh

If its such a benign process why are they hiding the TPP from public view?

A trade agreement that was negotiated and written entirely in secret behind closed doors by industry representatives with zero public input? Yeah let's just sign it without even knowing whats in it, that sounds like real good idea lol. Do you do stand up comedy by any chance?

[Hoyt]

17. Not that crud again. Keep up, the entire agreement was released months ago.

Here's an assessment from Brookings you ought to read, even if you are like a lot of Sanders' supporters who believe Brookings is evil too:

http://www.brookings.edu/research/testimony/2015/11/17-trans-pacific-partnership-environment-meltzer

[gyroscope]

20. Will you be here all week?

You linked to a one page article about the TPP not the TPP itself, but thanks for the laugh.

[Hoyt]

21. The TPP was released by Obama months ago. Read it, then come back.

[gyroscope]

24. Won't waste my time on right-wing piece of garbage deal, thanks

Obama joined forces with the GOP to get it passed against his own party. What does that tell you?

The whole of the democratic party is opposed to the deal, including Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. That's how bad it is.

[Hoyt]

27. As I thought, you've not read it. Just accepted what others who still think it's secret think.

[gyroscope]

28. You've told me plenty about it

all of which is enough for me to reject it.

[turbinetree]

5. Meet our illustrious trade negotiator.....from the State Department ...........

https://ustr.gov/about-us/biographies-key-officials/united-states-trade-representative-michael-froman



Another excuse me another sell out, just Like NAFTA, CAFTA, you can name it any "trade deal"-------------------



Honk------------------for a political revolution Bernie

[gyroscope]

18. Former Citibank exec for trade rep

Nice choice there Obama.

His entire cabinet appears to be staffed by Wall Street execs and lawyers.
(After leaving the DOJ Eric Holder went back to work at a law firm that represents
Halliburton and Bank of America).

[cantbeserious]

7. Thank You For Sharing These Truths

eom

[gyroscope]

16. You're welcome

eom

[sulphurdunn]

10. Very soon, we will see clearly

who owns our elected representatives in congress. A vote for the TPP is a sellout of American soverinigty disguised as a trade agreement. The only thing congress should be voting on regarding trade is the repeal of NAFTA.

[Lodestar]

22. We already know the answer.

No waiting. The majority of politicians ARE the 1% (making in the $10-14 million dollar range) and are there to enable that agenda. The real power is the corporations and most belong to groups such as
The Business Roundtable, ALEC, etc. The different parties are there to keep the people divided against each other.

[TIME TO PANIC]

19. K & R!

[Enthusiast]

23. Kicked and recommended! This post should have a bazillion of recommendations!

Voting for the TPP is an act of treason.

[Lodestar]

25. Here's a meeting Obama had with the Business Roundtable

The BRT is the REAL boss of us and our government officials...THEY write policies, lobby and
own the process. If Warren is correct then this meeting is pretty bogus...to put in the shop window for us to see. This is a Q&A the president had with that group after his speech to them:

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So with that, let me take some questions. And I’m going to start with Randall, because since he volunteered for what I’m sure is a thankless job of being head of the -- (laughter).

Q I’ll get it going here. I know there are a lot of other questions for you. But Leader McConnell was just here a little earlier, and he gave us all a cause to exhale, talking about the budget and seemed confident that we would get a place where we would have a budget. And in the context of that he spoke about how split government can actually provide opportunities for getting big things done that might be hard to get done otherwise. And he caused a head-snapper with all of us when he gave you a very strong compliment over --

THE PRESIDENT: My head is snapping. (Laughter.) What did I do?

Q Trade Promotion Authority, and how you worked that and you worked it very aggressively. And, by the way, all of us in here -- Mike Froman, I don’t know if he’s here, and Jeff Zients are very complimentary of the work that was done there.

So now you have the authority to get a trade deal done. It’s going to have to come back to Congress, and so forth. Talk to us a little bit about your view of the opportunity to get the Trans-Pacific deal done.

THE PRESIDENT: I am confident that we can get it done, and I believe we can get it done this year. The trade ministers should be meeting again sometime in the next several weeks. They have the opportunity to close the deal. Most chapters have been completed at this point. And I’m confident that it will, in fact, accomplish our central goal, which is to make sure that we’ve got a level playing field for American businesses and American workers in the fastest-growing region of the world.

There are going to be unprecedented protections for labor standards and environmental standards, but also for IP protection, also for making sure that when any company here makes an investment, that they’re not being disadvantaged but are instead being treated like domestic companies for commercial purposes.

And so the notion here is, is that we’ve got 11 nations who represent the fastest-growing, most populous part of the world buying into a high-standards trade deal that allows us and your companies on a consistent basis to compete. And the good news is, is that with a lot of tough negotiating and a lot of pushing and pulling -- mainly by Mr. Froman, but occasionally I get called in to lob a call into one of my counterparts -- I think that we’re going to get this done.

Now, the key then, once we close the negotiations and we have an agreement, is to get TPP through Congress. We got it through. I will return the compliment of Mitch McConnell worked very hard and very creatively to get it done. We should not assume, though, that because the authority was done, that we automatically are going to be able to get TPP done.

And I’ll be honest with you, the reason is that the politics around trade are tough. And I said this even in the run-up to getting TPA authority. A lot of Americans, when they think of trade, think of plants in their hometown or nearby shutting down and moving to Mexico or China, and American manufacturing and good-paying jobs being lost. That’s the image of trade.

And the argument that I have made consistently to Democrats has been that there may have been some mistakes made in past trade agreements in not, for example, having enforceable labor and environmental provisions that put American companies that are doing the right thing at a disadvantage; that there weren’t enough safeguards for intellectual property and the abuses of state-owned enterprises and subsidies that companies may have been involved with.

But that’s the status quo now. And if you want to correct those things, we’ve got to raise the bar. I didn’t fully persuade all my Democratic colleagues, because the politics are tough. And I was willing to take my case to the Democratic caucus and to talk to my friends in organized labor and say that we can’t look backwards, we’ve got to look forward. We’re going to have to compete in these areas.

Here’s the concern politically, is that I think within the Republican Party some of the same impulses that are anti-immigration reform, some of the same impulses that see the entire world as a threat and we’ve got to wall ourselves off, some of those same impulses also start creeping into the trade debate. And a party that traditionally was pro free trade now has a substantial element that may feel differently.

And so the BRT, I think -- you know, you got to put Engler to work over there. To their credit, both Mitch McConnell and John Boehner I think are on the right program here, but they’re going to need some help potentially with their membership, because the closer we get to political season, the tighter some of these votes get. I will tell you this, though: I am confident that if I’m presenting an agreement to Congress, that it will meet the commitment that I made that this would be the highest standard, most progressive trade deal in American history. It will be good for American business and American workers.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/09/16/remarks-president-business-roundtable

[FairWinds]

26. Hoyt is a Liar . .

This is not his only lie, but maybe the most blatant . .

He wrote,

". . other countries, including all the European Union want in on the TPP, and TransAtlantic."

In fact, they have all witnessed mass protests against the TPP and TAP.

I'd love to have a reasoned discussion with a TPP supporter or two, but you cannot do
that with liars.

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