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cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)The Far right and left are working together to defeat Hillary.
Wibly
(613 posts)There is no conspiracy to defeat Hillary from within her own party. There is simply a second candidate who is capturing people's imagination in a way Clinton seems unable to compete with.
As for substance, the Right would be far more likely to accept Clinton over Sanders, who would clearly do big money some serious damage.
What the DNC needs to do is clean up their act. Stop the "Hillary is our destined leader" leaning and let the party rank and file make the decision.
Hillary's supporters also need to back down a bit and stop with the blame games, accusations (conspiracy theories against her) and begin to recognize that Sanders is offering the people something that makes sense to them. Clinton needs to be less concerned about Sanders, and more concerned about the legitimacy, content and substance of her own campaign.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)so this being her goal why did she think she had to align herself with big businees,big Banks and Wall st.
She could have gotten in there and fought for the same rights and causes as Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are fighting for.
She didn't have to get cozy with Wall St and take millions in order to gain the peoples trust...Instead she joined the establishments political club,using the Coprorate Wall St funding that was basically stolen from or swindled from the United States Public and now Hillary is asking those same people to vote for her, the Corporate funded candidate...Hillary is going to lose for that very reason.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)not now...
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,840 posts)bullimiami
(13,097 posts)i cant imagine anyone takes him seriously.
Imagination is not reality.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)that Bernie Sanders actually won and the vote count was rigged in Hillary's favor is a liar?
You know the way Hillary jumped on stage declared herself the winner was a little strange but she wanted the media to have something to run with and she knew they would immediately declare her the winner even though nothing was official..Now that was strange and looking back now I think Hillary knew that she actually lost.
thesquanderer
(11,989 posts)rickford66
(5,524 posts)My late Father said about the Catholic Church (he almost became a priest) "If you don't like the rules, don't join the club."
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)But that's a nice offensive blanket statement
INdemo
(6,994 posts)Do you think a campaign or Party Leadership is willing to steal or rig a vote total for their candidate is not Republicanish ?
This is no different than 2000 or 2004 shenanigans pulled by Florida Republican Kathleen Harris or Ohio's Kenneth Blackwell
Wibly
(613 posts)The DNC should be very careful here. They do not want Sanders getting pissed and deciding to do an independent run. He clearly has a lot of support and resources to do just that. An independent run by Sanders would put an end to any aspirations Clinton has of becoming President, and could well put a Republican in the White House.
For Iowa, they should have an independent audit of the vote count. They cannot be seen to be manipulating anything in Clinton's favour.
Much as the DNC may see Clinton as their leader, they need to let the rank and file make the decision.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)Republican in the White House. I think he could win outright even as an Independent.
While making phone calls several Independents I talked to didn't want to declare or register as a Democrat that liked Bernie because that wanted to keep their Independent status..Now that's not saying all Independents felt this way but some dd.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)and the DNC was in on it than DWS should immediately resign and/or face criminal charges.
What if this was just the opposite and Hillary had lost by .2%? Hillary Clinton would still be screaming as well as her corporate media.
Awknid
(381 posts)No, it's a bunch of out of touch DLC members who think its the year 1999. They think no one will say anything about their methods being underhanded.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)to win even if you know she had to cheat or the Democratic Party of Iowa had to Cheat for Her?
I thought Hillary was rushing to give her victory speech was a bit odd having to declare herself the winner
The truth will come out and if it is discovered that Bernie officially won and the Hillary campaign along with the state Democratic party did cheat...well Hillary 2016 is over
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)Presidential election?
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Don't you want an honest election? Isn't this America? I want to know if it is true. I don't want another Florida or Ohio with Ken Blackwell. I'm older. I grew up thinking we really were a democracy. I want my country back. Bernie has the institutional memory. Too many of you do not. You are used to this country and its corruption. We don't have to be like this. Support Bernie. He may be our last hope. We are truly on the road to India, Bolivia, Africa.
Look up Henry Wallace. That's where we really started going off the rails. That was when the oligarchs started reaching in to all the gains Roosevelt made. Wallace would have continued them but the rich didn't want it. So ever since, they've been on a journal to roll it all back. Our last true progressive in my opinion was Eisenhower.