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Related: About this forumWatch human population grow from 1 CE to present and see projected growth in under six minutes.
World Population One dot = 1 million people.vimeo.com/130468614
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)One thing that stands out to me is that India and China were population centers from the very beginning.
I have long thought that an essential problem we all have is that there are too many people. Our current world population is simply not sustainable, and at some point there will be a crash.
I have also recently decided that perhaps the correct answer to why don't we find other civilizations in our galaxy may well be that intelligent species destroy themselves long before colonizing the galaxy can possibly occur. It certainly looks as if we are on that path.
Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)I'm a huge admirer of Neil deGrasse Tyson, and I have a son who just completed a physics degree and is nervously awaiting grad school acceptances. He is headed to astrophysics, and as you might imagine I have lots of conversations with him that touch upon part of what deGrasse Tyson spoke about.
What I like best about this particular piece is how he clearly explicates the difference between us and chimps, and extends that to indicate the difference between us and the next step in evolution.
Thanks again.
Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)"why don't we find other civilizations in our galaxy may well be that intelligent species destroy themselves long before colonizing the galaxy can possibly occur."
Maybe, they're so intelligent, and like Tyson said, we're blabbering idiots to them, that because of that level of superior intelligence, violence is not in their nature. They've achieved peace and have remained peaceful to each other for tens of thousands of years. But, seeing that the human race on earth is very violent and hell bent on destroying each other, they purposefully have remained hidden from us because of human violent tendencies. And seeing how highly intelligent they are, they would have no problem cloaking their planet from humans.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)So far we haven't found evidence of other civilizations out there. Of course, there are lots of good reasons for that, not excluding what you've pointed out. There's also an important time factor: Any species only lasts so long. A million years would be an exceptionally good run. So it is more than possible that intelligent species have flourished and died off, and that in our time we simply won't co-exist with any other intelligent species.
Another factor that seems to me to be generally overlooked is the vast distances between stars, which may well make genuine interstellar travel just not possible.
Here's the best illustration I know of about interestellar distances: Our galaxy, Milky Way, has about 300 billion stars. The nearest galaxy, Andromeda, is about three times our size, with one trillion stars. As you no doubt know, Milky Way and Andromeda are on a collision course, and will intersect in about 4 billion years or so. I recently asked my favorite astrophysicist (who happens to be my son) about how man stars would crash into each other at that point. He said, no more than 10. THAT, more than any other example I know tells you just how vast interstellar distances are.
Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)learned how to travel through wormholes? A shortcut to another planet in another galaxy. Interstellar distances would be like traveling from one town to another to you and me. The theory of general relativity predicts wormholes and they could be in use right now by a higher intelligence.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)But talking to the only astrophysicist I know, it seems highly unlikely. If it were possible, it would be happening, and we just don't see any evidence of other intelligent species visiting us. It's convenient to say things like, "Oh, they're so far ahead of us they could disguise themselves," but that argument doesn't hold much water with me.
I realize this is the sort of thing we can politely disagree about forever, and I'll leave it at that.
longship
(40,416 posts)When my download limit resets.
Thanks for this. Love that a NdGT clip is here, too.