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Uncle Joe

(58,362 posts)
4. I know some basics about the laws of energy but
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 08:30 PM
Aug 2015

it's not my area of expertise, what in particular contradicts this?

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
5. Well, it takes energy to electrolyze the water. From where?
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 08:47 PM
Aug 2015

What makes the current? You can't get back more energy than you put in.


--imm

rwsanders

(2,603 posts)
6. There isn't anything disputable in the physics, this is just economics...
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 08:49 PM
Aug 2015

In Brazil petroleum probably costs a lot more than household electricity, so he is able to convert a small amount of water to hydrogen using household electricity, enough to power a small motorcycle. On a larger scale though, the costs don't balance.

Uncle Joe

(58,362 posts)
7. So would increased solar and wind power used to convert water to hydrogen
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 09:00 PM
Aug 2015

be more economically feasible on a larger scale?

rwsanders

(2,603 posts)
13. that is one possibility that has been considered.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 12:25 PM
Sep 2015

Then it can be burned or used in fuel cells (use the reaction with oxygen to create electricity directly).
The only other way to use wind and solar are better batteries. So it is hard to know which will win in the end.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
8. It shows him filling is tank from a stream. What household electricity?
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 09:15 PM
Aug 2015

It is a fake. I'm disputing the physics. It's bullshit. You can't create energy from the air.

--imm

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
9. He is also using a battery.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 02:22 AM
Aug 2015

It's pretty clear that he developed a rudimentary oxyhydrogen generator (which isn't new). He is very clearly producing hydrogen gas at the end of the video in the dish. None of this is new or groundbreaking, and it's going to be less efficient than using the electricity in the first place.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
10. He's not going 200 miles on a battery.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 09:36 AM
Aug 2015

And he not getting 200 miles worth of hydrogen from the battery.

--imm

LiberalArkie

(15,715 posts)
11. With the small size of his engine, he probably does not need that much hydrogen to
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:05 AM
Aug 2015

run his engine. He would not be able to run a car with it. One thing is those small motorcycles used to be the ones that created a lot of pollution so it is a viable solution.

rwsanders

(2,603 posts)
12. I think that was just showmanship as he mentions converting to hydrogen. No other way...
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 12:23 PM
Sep 2015

to do that without outside energy unless he has a miracle catalyst.

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