So What Happened with Black Lives Matter and Hillary Clinton?

[yuiyoshida]

[Purveyor]

1. Thanks for posting. k&r

[99th_Monkey]

2. Holy Moly - Thom is asking all the right questions, e.g. "who's lying here?"

Great find!! I'll be looking to see what a certain candidate's supporters have to say,
to help us answer Thom's questions re: this meeting.

[bvar22]

3. K&R for Thom Hartmann, and for asking the right questions.

This is the first I've heard that BLM notified the Clinton Campaign that they were going to invade her Campaign Rally and break it up.
The Hillary response was swift.BLM was diverted to another room, and held there until after the event and Hillary could meet with them off the record.


More will be revealed.
Thanks, Thom..... for asking the right questions.

DURec

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

4. It's good to have the SS to divert your protesters into back rooms so you are spared any public

encounters and the fallout if you don't handle it in the ideal manner.

[LovingA2andMI]

5. Thom Hartmann is RIGHT....

This rogue element of Black Lives Matter (I.E. - The Netroots Nation Crew, the Marissa Johnson and the Interrupters Crew and now the Boston Let's Tell Hillary We're Coming Crew) are just that....either very suspect or PAID.

More insight is offered here: "Answering Marissa Johnson & The Interrupters Effect, #BLM Trolling Bernie Sanders" - by Independent Underground Radio LIVE 8/11 - Podcast

[zeemike]

7. I think that is what Marissa Johnson ment by being groomed.

[Fred Sanders]

10. Where did Thom say any of that?

[LovingA2andMI]

15. Maybe YOU SHOULD....

Listen closer to the video #FYI...

[libodem]

21. Thank you for the audio

It takes several minutes of music and advertizing to get to the commentary.

It's nice to hear a response from a POC to the militant over throw of a schedualed peaceful assembly for a first amendment right to free speech.

Everyone got to have a little free speaking event in Seattle even if some disrupted, someone else's constitutional rights.

[jalan48]

6. BLM is either being played by the Clinton campaign or working for them.

[RoccoR5955]

8. This is looking more and more nefarious

each day.
What is their REAL aim?

[jalan48]

9. I don't think the Third Way corporate leadership wants the Occupy, Progressive crowd around.

Our goals are not in line with the Wall St. financiers. It's one way to show us the door and bring in a new group of loyal supporters.

[navarth]

11. kick

I wonder how long it will take for some troll to call Thom a white supremacist....

[Buzz cook]

12. Hartman reports different facts than what I've read elsewhere.

Did BLM phone ahead?

Was BLM intercepted instead of just being late?

All the reports I've read did say that the media were excluded. Are the two sides in conflict about who asked for that or is it a misunderstanding.

I tend to think Thom is jumping to conspiracy a bit too quickly.

[imthevicar]

13. The Dog didn't Bark!

[hay rick]

14. BLM "preannounced" that they were going to bust up the event...

I wonder why that didn't work. Or maybe it worked just the way it was supposed to.

[LovingA2andMI]

16. Maybe....

Indeed....

[daredtowork]

17. Can anyone find this quote on the Black Agenda Report?

Now that Thom has taken Bernie supporters to task for their knee-jerk reactions over the Seattle disruption, various folk are taking the opportunity to denigrate Bernie supporters for suspecting BLM members of collaborating with the Hillary campaign. Words like "conspiracy theorists" and "faux liberal racists" are thrown around to label anyone who dares utter that the opposition candidate may take advantage of circumstances in her favor or BLM members may be influenced by the Hillary campaign.

Well, prepare to call Thom Hartmann a conspiracy theorist and a faux liberal racist, because here he is considering whether BLM members raised their profile by disrupting the "minor" candidates, and then went into a private room with Hillary to negotiate for positions within her administration.

That seems to go even further than "paid a little walking around money", don't you think?

This information ostensibly comes from Black Agenda Report, but I can't find it. There is a piece on the rewards of disruption leading to collaboration: http://www.blackagendareport.com/blm_and_democrats_disruption_to_collaboration - However, this piece doesn't cover the Hillary phone call or private meeting.

Was the post that Thom is referring to deleted?

[Marr]

22. I'm trying to reconcile this, too.

I see his statements in another thread being praised, along with lots of heavy condemnations of Sanders supporters for even suspecting some sort of collusion on the part of the Clinton campaign.

But Hartmann's comments here certainly seem to lead in that direction. I don't understand.

[Uncle Joe]

18. The contradictions are rather stark, Thom Hartmann brings up many good questions.

Thanks for the thread, yuiyoshida.

[aikoaiko]

19. BLM was exceedingly respectful of HRC

It is what it is.

[Chathamization]

23. Keep in mind BLM is a decentralized movement; anyone can say they're part of BLM and, say, endorse

Trump if they want. We saw the same "who represents the movement" issue with Occupy; one guy at a camp decides to spray paint a bank, then suddenly we get "OWS supports vandalism" headlines. You'll get LaRouche supporters at just about any large progressive event here. This is always a problem with open movements. When you don't have a gate, you're allowing anyone to show up and do what they want, and say it's on behalf of the movement (and in many cases they might think it is).

(to make things more complicated, there are some individuals within the BLM movement who are saying they are part of a specific group called BLM)

The individuals who decided to protest at the Sander's rally (2-3 people) and the individuals who met with Clinton (~5 people I think?) combined are still a much smaller number than, say, the individuals (including Cornel West) who were protesting the DOJ on Monday (and got arrested), or who were part of the numerous demonstrations this week.

Incidentally, I saw a tweet from a prominent activist that seemed to show unhappiness with how the Clinton event went down (particularly since other BLM activists have already been working with her - as well as Sanders and O'Malley - on these issues).

[AtomicKitten]

20. "Who's lying?" The plot thickens ...

k&r