Your Parents Had It Better Than You-The Young Turks

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[ctsnowman]

1. K & R

[Enthusiast]

2. Elect Bernie and make college affordable for everyone.

There is too much talent sitting on the sidelines going to waste.

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9. Hell yes.....

[appalachiablue]

3. K & R. It's extraction & robbery, pure theft.

[jtuck004]

4. Actually your parents didn't - they were just fooled like you. During their time we began to

let the rich folks get away with not paying their bills, and for most everyone else, free credit - as free as a bunch of crooks in business and government could make it.

Oh yeah - to the more self-righteous - you benefited by being raised in that time, so what happens at the end is as much on you as anyone. You had no choice? No kids ever have a choice, yours is no different.

Now the bills are due, and no one is making any money. And all of us who were involved in letting elected politicians make bank$ter/donors rich while they fucked all of us over get to pay the price.

It really is game over, because there is no way the wealthy will let us do the one thing that would begin to fix this. No one ever listens to the help.

[bvar22]

10. My parents helped elect FDR (The New Deal) & Truman (The Fair Deal).

I helped elect LBJ (Great Society, Medicare, The War on Poverty),
and have always worked for Social & economic justice.
Are you talking about YOUR parents?

I will admit that we can no longer tell our children that if they work hard and stay in school, they can do better than their parents.....but the BLAME for this lies elsewhere besides your parents.
It lies with the "Reagan Democrats", "Conservative "Democrats" of Clinton's DLC , and the following Free Trading Republicrat Administrations.


We could have all that back if the Working Class ever gains a voice in our government.

FDR Economic Bill of Rights

In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be[font size=3] established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.[/font]

Among these are:

*The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

*The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

*The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

*The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

*The right of every family to a decent home;

*The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

*The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

*The right to a good education.

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

[font size=3]America's own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for all our citizens.[/font]

Please note that the above are stipulated as Basic Human RIGHTS to be protected by our government,
and NOT as COMMODITIES to be SOLD to Americans by For Profit Corporations.

There was a time in my life when voting FOR the Democrat
was voting FOR the above values.
Sadly, this is no longer true,
but it could be again.


[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font][/center] [center] [/font]
[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center][/font]


You will know them by their [font size=3]WORKS.[/font]

[jtuck004]

11. Note the woman in the video. Her parents aren't 100 years old, and she is the age group

about which the op opined. That is who I was talking to. I get your point, but I'm not sure it's possible given the past 80+ years of teaching people it was morally wrong to be such a successful country and people to look back at that and think we are gonna get anything even close. If nothing else, it's been schooled out of us.

It would be nice to point fingers and say it was someone else, but they could not have done it without so much cooperation. Kinda like people on the Titanic - they did't drive the ship into the iceberg, but they made it possible.

The people who voted for Reagan weren't the only ones who took out loans to make their lifestyle, built big stupid homes, began to burn up what had been left them without insisting that we invest in ourselves, kept having more kids despite the fact that they may be birthing them into poverty. (I can remember eating shrimp at christmas parties of some of millionaire democrats - back when Reagan was occupying the office of pres - in Oklahoma.. The words Carter had spoken hadn't touched them at all - it didn't even slow them down).

The worst part is that we have now had 80+ years of business that was spending $80 million in 1917 to destroy labor, to imprint that socialism and communism are one and the same and the work of the devil, and slowing but surely removing the concepts of cooperation from the American mind. And they have never slacked off on that, unlike the Progressives, who apparently thought people would just see their philosophy as a good thing without telling them. lol.

I don't really much give a flying rat's ass about government - it's clear that it (being politicians) sticks its nose in the ass of the person with the biggest wallet and just follows it around, grunting for more. That power is mostly just something that will pass back and forth to keep any progress from happening until the country dies or is blown up. (Bernie might change that - but he will have to win the peace, not just the presidency. I think that is where it will fall, because there are now now too many people who will destroy the country through their own stupidity and ignorance rather than cooperate with each other for the good of everyone).

If workers want to do better, they need to own assets, just like they were trying to do before the traitor Gompers came along with the AFL. Just like they did in Spain, borrow or get the money, buy a business, begin to run it as a cooperative. They have to have their own school, bank, maybe even their own welfare system, since the ass clowns on the outside would rather teach Trump Capitalism than anything which might help their students to be anything other than servile. Mondragon did their work and built their cooperative with a murderous ruler at the helm of their country, btw. He made Reagan look like a sunday school teacher.

On the other hand the country might make it, and if it does,regardless of who is has the government, there will be no place better to be than in a cooperative that is big enough to provide one's family and friends some security.

[bvar22]

12. Funny you should mention that.

In 2006, My Wife & I moved from Big Blue Minneapolis to Very rural Red Arkansas (West Ouachita Mountains).
We started keeping Chickens and Honey Bees,
planted fruit trees, started a BlueBerry/Strawberry garden,
and grow most of our own vegetables.

We have shifted focus to local Humanitarian needs, and building a Black Market Co-Op that trades everything from tools, to clothes, to food, to Labor. So far, so good.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=246x11812

[jtuck004]

13. I remember seeing some of those pics. I think you are going to be as well-situated as

anyone can be. As well, you provide an example of how to live it...that attracts people, and good connections made in an endeavor like this are invaluable.

We moved to Eastern WA from Oklahoma, and I spend more time growing now. In the outdoor garden I was working on garlic, but got sidetracked by creating fertilizers out of weeds and a couple of other ideas, investigating what it might take to turn that into a business. I want to make a product. If that works I could get others involved. We shall see.

I really do think more folks ought to try growing their own food, even just a little. It's really educational, especially when the growing season is as short as this one. I had more sun and water there, could grow bigger, but more bugs and diseases. Up here we lose a lot of the bugs, but you only get one shot at some things. One could easily die depending on what they can grow here, so they have to learn to use other resources.

Gardening is different. lol. Okra has to be started indoors, and even then it may not get hot enough. They have no idea what good watermelon and pecans taste like up here. It's sad. I've wished there was a way to make something from a load of Rush Springs Watermelons, and pecans from the Oklahoma//Arkansas/Texas area, trucked up here.

I like what you have done with your place. Ours is smaller, and I make almost nothing in money compared to the computer work, but this stuff feels better. And as you have proven there is always something to work on.

[bvar22]

14. Amigo!

A word of caution about weeds as fertilizer.
Take care to cut them before they seed, or compost them where the heat will kill the seeds.
If the seeds are still viable, you will wind up with a bed full of weeds instead of veggies.
We found out the hard way.

My major point I was trying to make is that WE can have all those things again, IF we ever have a Party that represents The Working Class and the Poor". We used to have one, but , sadly, that Party has become another Party for the Rich.
If we can reform this Party, or build a new one, we could have a proud Working Class again.

Age doesn't have anything to do with it.
My parent's parents had it much harder than you have it today.
Then the Workers & Poor got together and fixed that....but it cost some blood.

[Chasstev365]

5. Campaign Comerical Idea

Show graphics of how bad things have gotten for the middle class since the "Reagan Revolution." Next, show the greedy, smiling faces of the 1 %. In the background would be playing T Rex's "Children of the Revolution": "I got a Rolls Royce, cause its good for my voice, no you WON'T fool the children of the revolution, no, no, NO!".......

[central scrutinizer]

6. Republicans plan to address this

by eliminating Medicare and Social Security. See how your parents like living in a refrigerator box under the bridge after medical costs have bankrupted them.

[bvar22]

15. The parents won't live in a box.

There was a time before we had Social Security.
The parents moved in with their kids, and they had to take care of the parents until they died (changing the diapers and all).

I prefer Social Security.,
and that is the argument I use when conservatives in the area start bad mouthing SS.

"Do you want YOUR parent moving in with you?
Then INCREASE Social Security.
I'm sure a couple of extra bucks will be worth it to NOT have your parents living with you."

[yurbud]

7. I'm 51. I tell my college students I was a full time college student and didn't have to work during

the school year, and essentially just got pizza money from my parents.

I was able to do this because college financial aid was so much better until the mid to late 80's when the emphasis shifted from grants to loans and the definition of "financial need" and "independence" got tighter.

I tell them politicians realized college kids don't give them money and they don't vote, so fuck them.

Nearly all of my community college students work, and something is going on because fewer kids are bothering to enroll.

Not only do kids today have it worse, they are giving up hope--or starting with lowered expectations in the first place.

[d_legendary1]

8. Yes they did!

Thom Hartmann talks about his full time job while attending college. He also talked about how colleges were funded by the state (which explained why everyone went to California for a near free education) until Reagan appeared and ended all that. No one can afford tuition on a "do you want fries with that" salary. And those that go end up with massive amounts of debt. At least my old job paid for part of my education so I'm okay. But many people aren't so lucky.