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votesparks

(1,288 posts)
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 05:53 PM Jul 2015

Ted Cruz Praised Bernie Sanders, Here's Why



During an interview with Chris Matthews on Hardball, Ted Cruz called out the Democratic Party for using a lot of rhetoric about opposing big business and big money, while at the same time supporting welfare and corporate cronyism...
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Tobin S.

(10,418 posts)
1. Very good. K&R.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 06:07 PM
Jul 2015

I think we win with either Hillary or Bernie. I'm more of a Bernie fan, but I don't think Hillary is going to hurt us.

When we look at the Republican side with their sixteen candidates, I think they are thinking that they see weakness on the Democratic side. That's why so many of them think they have got a shot. I think Bernie can beat every one of them and Hillary will flat out bust their balls.

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
6. I am no fan either
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 10:16 PM
Jul 2015

but every once in a while he hits one out of the park in his criticism of the repugs.

Gothmog

(145,464 posts)
4. Hillary Clinton scares the GOP and they want to support Sanders
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 07:40 PM
Jul 2015

There are a number of conservative groups supporting Sanders so as to hurt Clinton

Gothmog

(145,464 posts)
10. I do not think that the National Review has the best interests of the Democratic party in mind
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 12:06 AM
Jul 2015

The idiots at the National Review are now urging conservatives to support Bernie Sanders http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420262/bernie-sanders-republicans-myra-adams

Support Bernie Sanders!

This is a call to action for every Republican anxious to win back the White House in 2016. Bernie Sanders, the socialist U.S. senator from Vermont, is now surging in his quest to win the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination. He is attracting media attention and large crowds, and is invigorated by a New Hampshire–primary poll showing him only 10 points behind frontrunner Hillary Clinton.

After a GOP power player sent me a piece from left-leaning Salon headlined “Hillary Clinton is going to lose: She doesn’t even see the frustrated progressive wave that will nominate Bernie Sanders,” my heart went pitter-patter, beginning to sense an opportunity. But it was not until I saw a headline in The Hill warning that the “Sanders surge is becoming a bigger problem for Clinton,” accompanied by “It may be time for Hillary Clinton to take the challenge from Sen. Bernie Sanders more seriously,” that I was truly motivated to join Team Bernie and rally my fellow Republicans to do the same.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420262/bernie-sanders-republicans-myra-adams

The GOP is urging people to support sanders because the conservatives know that they can not beat Hillary Clinton. The author of this article actually made a contribution to Sanders.

Gothmog

(145,464 posts)
13. No if they really believe that Sanders is not viable in a general election
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 01:20 PM
Jul 2015

I have yet to see one explanation as to how Sanders would be viable in a general election campaign. The GOP would prefer to run against Sanders compared to Clinton

Gothmog

(145,464 posts)
16. I fear that Sanders is bringing a knife to a gun fight in a general election contest
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 04:43 PM
Jul 2015

Some candidates are better able to raise the funds necessary to complete. President Obama blew everyone away in 2008 with his small donor fundraising efforts and that made it clear that he was electable. Jeb is trying to do the same on the GOP side with his $100 million super pac.

There are many on this board who doubt that Sanders will be able to compete in a general election contest where the Kochs will be spending $887 million and the RNC candidate will likely spend another billion. This article had a very interesting quote about the role of super pacs in the upcoming election http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/03/bernie-sanders-grassroots-movement-gains-clinton-machine

Harvard University professor Lawrence Lessig, who founded a Super Pac to end Super Pacs, said Sanders’ renouncing Super Pacs is tantamount to “bringing a knife to a gunfight”.

“I regret the fact the Bernie Sanders has embraced the idea that he’s going to live life like the Vermont snow, as pure as he possibly can, while he runs for president, because it weakens his chances – and he’s an enormously important progressive voice,” Lessig said.

President Obama was against super pacs in 2012 but had to use one to keep the race close. I do not like super pacs but any Democratic candidate who wants to be viable has to use a super pac, The super pacs associated with Clinton raised $24 million and so Clinton raised $70 this quarter.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
7. This meme should end Now
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 10:32 PM
Jul 2015

The suggestion that we can't support progressives or progressive policies because conservatives are the best judges of how our candidates will perform at the polls. In other words, Democrats are well-meaning rubes and shouldn't trust their own judgment because the conservative scare-mongers are smarter will be too powerful.

This is also what passed as 'realism' about Obama in 2008. We should have learned our lesson by now.

Seriously -- The Clown Car is smarter than Bernie?

Gothmog

(145,464 posts)
9. You know that the chairman of the RNC is encouraging his members to contribute to Sanders
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 12:04 AM
Jul 2015

The GOP is terrified of Hillary Clinton http://usatoday.com.co/gop-leader-to-republicans-donate-heavily-to-bernie-sanders/

The GOP chair responded in measured tones. “Sanders,” Priebus explained, “ says he wants to fight against a government ‘of the billionaires, by the billionaires and for the billionaires,’ so we want all Republican donors to give Sanders only fifty dollars like his current donors have been doing. It will cause… great consternation in the Clinton camp that Sanders is appealing to the masses. And it’s the votes of the masses that could possibly move the focus on Hillary’s message as far left as Bernie’s. At least that’s what we’re betting on.”

Karl Rove used this trick in 2000 with Nader

Crowman1979

(3,844 posts)
8. Frankly, I don't give a damn what that ass-clown muppet McCarthy lookalike has to say.
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 12:03 AM
Jul 2015

He's a snake and anything that comes out of his mouth is complete BS.

panfluteman

(2,065 posts)
12. Excellent Analysis! K & R!
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 03:27 AM
Jul 2015

It's kind of like a political Trojan horse strategy, in which the Trojan horse is the supposed "extremism" of the "far left" - and both the Republican party and the "centrist" Washington beltway insiders are buying into the same illusion. Bernie Sanders is built up, with the mistaken idea that it will hurt his chances of winning in the general election - and Bernie is hauled inside the city of Troy for the general election, where he bursts the bubble / Trojan horse illusion of the conventional political wisdom and absolutely CREAMS the Republican opposition - I love it!

Hardball host Chris Matthews is so aggressive, smug and sure with what he thinks he knows that he sometimes borders on the obnoxious. But he's going to be proven wrong, just like all the other political pundits and talking heads of the mainstream media.

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
14. Ted Cruz should be in " Professional Wrestling "
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 01:41 PM
Jul 2015

He could wear an adult diaper and be called El Poopy Pants or Tail Gunner Joe .

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