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(115,705 posts)just for being Rick Santorum.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)No. He loves it.
pinto
(106,886 posts)It's a sad slide.
MissKat
(218 posts)Without a doubt the attitude of the man screaming at Santorum gets his head filled with the absolute hatred that pours out of Rush, out of Beck, out of Fox. This man is terrified. And who's convinced him he should be? The extreme right wing of the Republican Party, which now seems to be almost the entire Republican Party. Just like you said, they fostered it and now they own this monster.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)GOP to spend some money on education for their NJ's. If it is crazy, then they like to say it loud.
WhoIsNumberNone
(7,875 posts)Check out his response to the question:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017252804
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)they need a bigger megaphone!
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Another thing I noticed in this clip: notice how conservatives have no problem complaining about "Lobbyists" influencing their representatives, but they NEVER complain about who hires the lobbyists in the first place?
I bet you if you asked "Who pays the lobbyists" most of them would parrot the phrase "special interests" but would be unable to name one.
Snarkoleptic
(5,997 posts)I won't link to this garbage, but here's a laughable snippet--
While Admiral Giardina and General Carey were the first to note Obamas transferring of nuclear weapons to Charleston outside of the normal chain of command, GRU experts say in this report, Generals Gurganus and Sturdevant were tasked with leading US Marine troops from Camp Lejeune in North Carolina to begin the implementation of martial law after this false flag attack had taken place.
Equally plausible is-
arcane1
(38,613 posts)And of course, none of it ever f-ing happens, and these loons are never again asked about it
packman
(16,296 posts)Is it the hot-bed of radical right wingers , is something sinister and anti-Obama going on there. Hell, I always pictured it as one laid back Southern city that I'd like to spend some time in. Don't nuke it, there's other cities that make more sense.
Jesus, what shit some people believe without even thinking or questioning.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)And they vote Tea Party or work to discourage Democrats from voting daily. Just google 'alex jones john birch society' for links and video.
A video of the show where he is 'excited' to greet the President of the Birchers. And this is the same gang that went after Earl Warren for deciding for integration in the Brown vs Board of Education decision and went after President John F. Kennedy, posting their 'Wanted for Treason' signs everywhere. Well known hate group. More of that is available on DU:
The John Birch Society and the Kochs: Peas in a Pod
Most John Birch Society scoundrels are buried deep in the recesses of American history, known only to politics junkies, history wonks and me, a Birch kid.
There is one exception however, a Birch name that echoes across todays political landscape: Fred C. Koch, founding member and national council member.
Before Kochs sons―David and Charles―became synonymous with 2000s corporate power, Koch built a fortune from an oil refining techniques he developed. But, in the 1920s, the big oil companies in the United States would not consider his methods. Koch had a business and had to have a contract. Like all oil men, he knew that governments were the biggest buyers of energy systems. So, Koch sought a lucrative, government contract.
In 1929, he landed a $5,000,000 contract for his company to build fifteen oil refineries in Russia, Joseph Stalins Communist Russia
Koch supervised the refinery installations, traveling extensively across the country over three years. He claimed that his hatred for Communism grew out of his Russian experiences, but he had pocketed $500,000 (his part of the company's profits) before his outrage set in. That money, $8,000,000 in today's dollars made Fred Koch a very rich man.
Ironically, the wealth of the Koch family came from a brutal Communist dictatorship. Hardly the image of "free enterprise" the Koch's invoke so passionately.
It's also ironic, that the Koch's got rich because of government contracts and government tax breaks. They don't want to talk much about that, either.
In 1960, thirty years after Fred Koch took Communist money and parleyed it into a huge fortune, Koch wrote his book, A Businessman Looks at Communism, in which he rails against labor unions and civil rights efforts as part of the Communist plot to take over America.
Labor Unions have long been a Communist goal, Koch wrote. The effort is frequently made to have the worker do as little as possible for the money he receives. This practice alone can destroy our country. (p. 16)
Koch had equally damning views of civil rights.
The colored man looms large in the Communist plan to take over America, he said (p. 25) and it will use the colored people by getting a vicious race war started.
Koch's views on civil rights were identical to those of the John Birch Society. Early in the civil rights movement, the Birch founder labeled Dr. Martin Luther King a Communist and marshaled the Birch leadership to fight every piece of civil rights legislation.
Fred Koch died in 1967, leaving his company and his vast fortune to his four sons: Freddie, Charles, David and Bill who spent the next twenty years battling over the estate. Eventually, David and Charles emerged with control over Koch Industries, one of the largest privately-held corporations in the country. The sons acquired dozens of companies and diversified their fossil fuel assets into every commodity from silicon chips to toilet paper. Koch Industries continued to build its corporate wealth (and the Koch brothers' personal wealth) with government contracts and government tax breaks.
Like their father, the Koch Brothers have no problem doing business with enemies of the United States. Koch Industries subsidiaries have engaged in very profitable business with Iran--despite federal sanctions against such trade.
The Koch brothers have enormous personal fortunes, somewhere around $40 billion dollars each in net worth. They are investing hundreds of millions of dollars in their favorite causes, right-wing, libertarian, anti-government ones. Now they're promising to spend $889,000,000 to influence the 2016 elections.
David identified himself as the wallet behind Americans for Prosperity, the big umbrella for Freedom Works and the Tea Party. Charles founded the Cato Institute, a powerful think-tank specializing in selling right-wing policies on everything from taxes to entitlements.
Their father must be proud. Theyre re-shaping the United States into the kind of country Fred wanted―a country with a pint-sized federal government and none of the expense of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid or any other social program.
This libertarian utopia would free businesses to make a profit unrestrained by regulation. Corporate taxes and taxes on the rich would be tiny, allowing vast accumulations of wealth for the wealthy. Workers incomes would be set by corporations without the requirements of minimum wages and union scale.
The ultimate irony of the Koch Brothers is this: they are spending hundreds of millions of dollars to subvert the country that helped make them so fabulously wealthy. And, they're doing it under the guise of preserving the American Dream.
to the author, Claire Conner for her post her, at KOS and the book she wrote:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026185341
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026185341#post8
My add on the thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026185341#post19
It's glaringly obvious who is listening to Alex Jones. A while back I read a post where someone (after listening to him no doubt) and reading a thread on banksters - see how that is prominent in Jones', Welch's and McManus' rants - said 'The John Birch Society was right after all.' It's overpowering and it now surrounds us.
They always take the view that both parties are the same in all matters. Yeah, they are. They're not Libertarians, so they are all the same to them. Naturally these heroes are all on the SPLC hate list and those who buy their spiel are so terribly deluded they aren't worth arguing with, they have entered the cult.
JMHO.
3catwoman3
(23,993 posts)...shit up," and maybe we don't, but "they" sure can and do.
This is just flat out nuts.
brush
(53,778 posts)Good to have all this info on the Koch's and their Bircher heritage in one post.
These two staunch anti-communists, whose fortunes ironically derive from doing business with communists, are a grave threat to our country.
With them and Adelson, Citizens United and the rest of their ilk we may have already tipped over into being an oligarchy.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Great book!
appalachiablue
(41,134 posts)knows. I watched a video of 'Ring of Fire' host Mike Papantonio c. 2007 explaining and showing those awful 'Wanted for Treason' posters of JFK that went up around Dallas before the President came. JBS early co-founder daddy Fred Koch and The Sons of Wichita as outlined in Daniel Schulman's book.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Multigenerational political influence by a very narrow special interest group is rare, but we're seeing it played out right now in front of us. A billionaire family - the Kochs - have gone from influencing my father's generation, to my generation, to my kids' generation - and very few Americans realize it. Daddy Koch - Fred - made his first millions palling around with Joe Stalin in the Soviet Union in the 1920s and 1930s. As the fascists rose to power in Europe in the 1930s, he was an enthusiastic supporter of Italian dictator Benito Mussolini, who invented the word "fascist," meaning essentially the takeover of democratic governments by big business interests. Mussolini went so far as to dissolve the Italian parliament, and replace elected politicians with representatives of each district's largest corporations. Fred Koch and Mussolini both particularly hated the trade unionists and their sometimes allies, the communists. So after Mussolini, along with his ally Hitler, lost World War II against America, Fred Koch brought the anti-communist pro-business-running-goverment - what some would call "facist" - torch to America big time, helping start the John Birch Society.
Two of their biggest efforts are pretty well known. After the Supreme Court ruled, in 1954, in the Brown versus Board of Education case, that segregation in schools was unconstitutional, the John Birch Society put up billboards all across America calling for the impeachment of the Chief Justice of the Court, Earl Warren. Daddy Fred Koch was very concerned about the integration of our schools - in fact, he wrote, "The colored man looms large in the Communist plan to take over America." With JFK's election, Fred Koch's John Birch Society went off again - this time against JFK. Using rhetoric not that different from the "secret Muslim" plots the Tea Party promotes about Obama, in a 1963 speech Fred said that " infiltrate the highest offices of government in the U.S. until the President is a Communist, unknown to the rest of us.
When JFK was scheduled to come to Dallas that year, the JBS distributed flyers saying, "Wanted, for Treason" all around the town two days before his arrival. On the day JFK was assassinated, large ads ran in the Dallas newspapers attacking Kennedy as being soft on Castro, among other things. That was my dad's generation. Daddy Koch died, and his sons Charles and David took over the family business of promoting the business and billionaire takeover of our American government.
They're doing it with a two-pronged attack. For people over forty, they're funding the Tea Party through a variety of groups, most notably Americans for Prosperity and Freedomworks. And for people under forty, they're funding Libertarian think tanks, like the Charles Koch Foundation (which was renamed as the Cato Institute), and the Reason Foundation, where David Koch is a trustee, which happily embraces a new generation of young people with the idea that "freedom" means the "freedom" to buy politicians and the "freedom" to pollute. For the young people, of course, the Libertarians throw in the "freedom" to smoke dope and hire a hooker, but those are just bones being cynically tossed to young potheads and young protoge's of Dick Morris.
But the Koch's have been inside the Libertarian movement from its beginning - 32 years ago this year, David Koch was the Libertarian Party's official candidate for Vice President of the United States. It's really pretty incredible, but it's all true. The main agenda of the Koch's John Birch Society was to enhance the power and control of our government by big business and billionaires, while fighting organized labor and people like me who were protesting the Vietnam War. The main agenda of the Koch's Tea Party is to get millionaires elected to Congress and have them cut taxes and regulations for Koch Industries and other polluting corporations, while fighting organized labor and people like me who were protesting the Iraq War.
And the main agenda of the Koch's Libertarians - again, funded and trained by the Koch Brothers - is to keep intact the power of big money over our government, cut taxes and regulations on billionaires and polluting industries, while fighting organized labor and people like me who are protesting the corporate takeover of the United States of America. Three generations of Americans, all duped by the same billionaire family. Three generations buying into the idea that "what's best for industry and billionaires is best for America" - and that government is our "enemy" rather than something that our nation's founders fought and died to create for all of "We The People" And, increasingly, it's not just the Koch family. The Walton family - whose combined wealth is greater than 40 percent of all Americans - funded a covert campaign to rename the estate tax as the "death tax" and lobbied so hard they got the estate tax eliminated entirely in 2010.
Senator Bernie Sanders pointed out yesterday that - so far - we know of 26 billionaires - worth over $146 billion - who have already "invested" or committed to invest over $561 million dollars in this election cycle - most of it to defeat Democrats who want to raise their taxes. The good news is that young people are waking up and realizing that the Libertarian hustle the billionaires are feeding them is just that - a hustle. Just like Tea Partiers are waking up to their having been had by billionaires who want to privatize their Social Security. Hopefully, soon, America will regain its sanity and we'll go back to viewing cranky billionaires the way my Dad's generation did - as Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower did - when Eisenhower referred to their ilk as "small in number and stupid" They're not stupid any more, and if we really value American traditions, we really must push back on this kind of power and influence in American politics.
I really appreciated how Thom posted the entire transcript there, as some of us read much faster and don't want to listen to videos. Here is the thread he posted here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101744227
He also made this video that explains so much about what we are being forced into. Feudalism by any other name. See the exact process being done to us right now:
Thom Hartmann says Conservatives hate big government because its the only think that can keep big business from trampling the average working person.
That's why I don't give creedence to those who will trash government non-stop, and discourage voting and tell people to walk away. The power is not going away. This is what they are going to get to all of us.
appalachiablue
(41,134 posts)neoliberalism, libertarianism, fascism or whatever you want to call rule by elites. Three generations of Kochs damage is too much. I read recently that Corey Booker is working with one of the Kochs and Soros on restoring prisoners rights, need to follow up on that blatant corporate influence over govt. Thom had Claire Conner on his program a couple years ago.
Great explanation from Thom on it all, although a bit hard to take when he sometimes tells of his father following conservative Russell Kirk and taking him when young to JBS meetings, truthful but disturbing for me anyway. I was never around any of that thank God.
It's unfortunate how some millennials have been duped by the freedom, get rich quick pitch of libertarianism and lack understanding or knowledge of unions, safety nets, et al. And the older boomers and seniors falling for other stink tank spin.
My family already fought fascism once, I thought. Never believed it would flourish here. Maybe people will wake up if they heed Nick H., the hedge funder in this post and others. I hope.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Response to freshwest (Reply #65)
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cynzke
(1,254 posts)Further to this nonsense is some facts surrounding this conspiracy. The Generals that were fired were the result of ongoing investigations that started months before this nonsense episode supposedly took place. One was actually fired before the incident. Some warheads were transferred to a site in SC from the mid-west. Lindsey Graham objected to it on the grounds it put them in reach of terrorists (how?) who could steal them and nuke Charleston.
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1714.htm
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)"He should have been gone a long time ago" I take that as a threat to the President. Another Faux viewer for sure.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)Snarkoleptic
(5,997 posts)Can't say I'm not enjoying watching them try to contain their monster as did the fictional Dr. Frankenstein.
Panich52
(5,829 posts)the idea that she's blaming 'Frothy SAINTorum' f/ letting Obama do anything. Frothy's been long gone from Senate. Too bad the clip didn't show his response (prob worth clip of its own).
Found this after I responded here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026384008
Gives some of Frothy's response.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)appalachiablue
(41,134 posts)if she realizes that Rick IS a Lobbyist, settled in exurban NoVa after leaving PA. In DC he makes tons of $ as a Lobbyist. When I mentioned to PA friends that I wanted to get rid of him, return him, they said no! they didn't want him back! He conned PA by claiming his kids were residents there, to get PA online school instruction or smthg., when actually they were living in VA. Don't know what else he's done but there's more.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)ctsnowman
(1,903 posts)daredtowork
(3,732 posts)That racist cow is finding every reason in the book to get the black man out of the White House besides the fact he's a black man.
False flag attack on Charleston. *snort*
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)Then she wouldn'ta had nothin' to complain about.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)throwing his voice like all great puppeteers do.
xocet
(3,871 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)so perhaps there's hope for right-wing-nuttery.
Or am I too optimistic?
No doubt. I lean toward hope.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)This sucker swallowed the hook, bait and pole.
still_one
(92,192 posts)sexists, scum. Santorum isn't embarrassed, he is part of this hate fest
Warpy
(111,264 posts)and Wednesday night in a pulpit. S/he sounds like every half wit backwoods ignorant preacher I've had the displeasure of hearing down south.
And people wonder why I left.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)This coming from someone who I'm sure is a pro-Confederate white South Carolinian.
That's rich.
JustAnotherGen
(31,824 posts)She's done lost her god damn mind!
Enrique
(27,461 posts)Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)Nicely done!
Turbineguy
(37,331 posts)of some Obamacare provided mental help.
WhoIsNumberNone
(7,875 posts)She clearly has no idea what a communist dictatorship really is.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)WhoIsNumberNone
(7,875 posts)All the teabagger/ birther stuff, plus chemtrails. She's quite the conspiracy theory bonanza. I doubt if she believes in aliens, but I'd bet she believes in the Illuminati...
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)AlinPA
(15,071 posts)WhoIsNumberNone
(7,875 posts)You're absolutely right about him not being embarrassed.
AlinPA
(15,071 posts)corkhead
(6,119 posts)"You need to work for us, not the lobbyists who pay your salaries"
appalachiablue
(41,134 posts)area, and becoming a resident of exurban NoVa after running out on the mess he made in PA while in govt.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)First of all it was a gathering to hear Rick IN-Santorum. So go figure.
srican69
(1,426 posts)Rick, the red neck tin foil army needs you!
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)to acknowledge they've unleashed a bunch of crazies on the country.
zebonaut
(3,688 posts)"Septembah"
Madmiddle
(459 posts)A perfect example of how pussified Santorum really is. This is what people with no education really feel.
EEO
(1,620 posts)but have no fucking clue as to how its government works. This brand of ignorance will be the end of us.
flying-skeleton
(697 posts)The nutcase if a fine example of a product that is representative of the Republican brand of ignorance and malfeasance.
The repubs should be oh SO PROUD !!
underpants
(182,809 posts)He is doing these public forums - one of the first - he is going to get these people consumed with Fox News Internet whacko people consumed with cabin fever who are dying to vent.
rladdi
(581 posts)I am so glad this woman no longer teaches. But if you review the bills passed in many of the states, they are created by radical and extreme Republicans and most are WOMEN. Women tend to be the most radical.
This woman should be charged with all the language and accusations against Obama, but I understand we can speak and write the worst protected by the First Amendment.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)Thing is Santorum is as sick as the man delivering the rant.
I live in Pa. and Santorum is an embarrassment to my great state.
Why won't he just go away.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Badass Liberal
(57 posts)That is all.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Let them consume each other with their ignorance and hate.
MrModerate
(9,753 posts)PumpkinAle
(1,210 posts)he was stoic and just listened, but I didn't see embarrassment.
And at the end of the rant Santorum told her that Obama is a tyrant and agreed that congressional Republicans showed a complete lack of leadership in fighting his dangerous agenda.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)HoosierCowboy
(561 posts)...then Cleveland during the 2016 RNC ! Yep! Yep Yep!
armed_and_liberal
(246 posts)That was a movie about a nuclear bomb going off in Charleston back in the 1980's.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086350/
IHateTheGOP
(1,059 posts)Tea party pukes are just, exactly, like the Nazis were.