Kiev Agrees to Ceasefire with Rebels in E. Ukraine

[snappyturtle]

Good news! Glad E. Ukraine offerred this to Kiev.

[uhnope]

1. rt lol. Invasion Deniers

"Rebels" lol

How long before the Russians again break the peace deal http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/01/23/world/europe/ap-eu-ukraine.html?_r=0

so Putin's anti-Semitic commander can fight the "miserable" "Jews" he says is running Ukraine? http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017242480

[snappyturtle]

6. That's just a bunch of gobble guck to mask what's really going on.

I don't like the word 'rebels' either. Much prefer, E. Ukrainian separatists because that's what they are.

[Manifest Destiny]

30. Your links are disingenuous.

The 'miserable Jews' comment is taken out of context and debunked in that thread of yours. Nice way to arouse false emotions and smear attempt on your part. Technically, if one thinks about it, you are nefariously using Jews to further your own cause. which is rather sad considering how Jews have been used and suffered during WW2, especially at the hand of the Galician Ukrainians. You aren't from West Ukraine are you.

[nilesobek]

42. The best call out I've seen yet.

Nicely timed and right on point. You articulated to this poster what I've been thinking but couldn't express all along.

[ColesCountyDem]

2. Not this RT garbage again?

RT will report that Ukraine has 'agreed', even if they haven't, just so that they can excoriate them later, when they don't adhere to the cease fire they never agreed to in the first place.

[snappyturtle]

5. The Kiev gov't would be stupid not too agree....they're in a bad place.

Having trouble recruiting too. Why don't you try CNN for its report on the ceasefire and post it?

[ColesCountyDem]

21. Becaue CNN doesn't report on mythical events, that's why.

RT is to reputable broadcast journalism what the National Enquirer is to reputable print journalism.

[Manifest Destiny]

33. Of course they don't!

[ColesCountyDem]

34. That's HLN, not CNN, and the existence of UFO's is a debatable, not mythical, topic.

Nice try.

[Manifest Destiny]

35. Myth

miTH/Submit
noun
1.
a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events.
synonyms: folk tale, folk story, legend, tale, story, fable, saga, mythos, lore, folklore, mythology
"ancient Greek myths"
traditional stories or legends collectively.
"the heroes of Greek myth"
2.
a widely held but false belief or idea.


It can be argued that UFO's are a traditional idea. The movie Prometheus was based around this myth and even alluded to the death of Christ. Either way, both subjects can be regarded as Gobbly gook by the PC crowd when it comes to existential ideas and their use by mainstream 'news' sources.

[ColesCountyDem]

36. You're reaching.

Wouldn't it be easier to convince me (and others) by linking to a mainstream, legitimate, non-Russian news source that verifies this alleged cease fire?

[Manifest Destiny]

37. Your reading US news. The EU is more accurate.

http://www.dw.de/humanitarian-truce-agreed-around-contested-eastern-ukraine-town/a-18237521 Today is Friday. I'm reading reports that say the OSCE is monitoring the humanitarian corridor.

Merkel and Hollande are flying to Kiev and Moscow today to try to make it look like they brokered a cease fire. What is really happening is that Putin has a 9 point peace plan that he has put forth. From the looks of things Merkel and Hollande are going to try to make it look like it was their plan in the press. From what I'm reading about it, it looks like Putin has put forth that a larger chunk of territory will be carved out for Novorossiya and the Minsk Accord is no longer part of the equation. Oh and Ukraine is exploding economically, this is what has forced the EU's hand. I give it less than a month before it completely falls apart, sadly.

And it's worth pointing out that had people adopted Putins federation proposal a year ago then we would have come back to this exact same point without all the lives lost, including MH-17 being shot down.

I do recall some people on this site tried to speak up and prevent it, however, they were shouted down , made fun of, and some were alert targeted and silenced here for their opinions.

[ColesCountyDem]

38. According to your own link, the truce is for Friday only, and only for evacuating Debaltseve.

There is no other ceasefire proposal, and no one except Russia is even suggesting one might be possible, without maintaining Ukraine's 'territorial integrity'.

[ColesCountyDem]

39. Merkel, Hollande end Moscow talks without word of peace deal

Source: Reuters

The leaders of Germany and France ended more than five hours of talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday without announcing any agreement to end fighting in east Ukraine.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said the leaders had agreed at "constructive and substantive talks" to continue working towards a joint document on implementing a ceasefire agreement that was reached in the Belarussian capital Minsk last September but has collapsed.

Putin, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande were expected to speak next by phone on Sunday, Peskov said, indicating that Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko would also take part in the conversation.

"The talks are over for now and our guests are already on their way to the airport," he told reporters at the Kremlin.

Read more: http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/02/06/uk-ukraine-crisis-idUKKBN0LA13N20150206

Reuters is reputable AND international.

[Manifest Destiny]

40. If you would have followed my DW link above

you would have seen that the story was distributed to Reuters and AFP.

[ColesCountyDem]

41. Your link does not tell the same story-- not even close.

I know how to read with comprehension, thank you very much.

[Manifest Destiny]

44. Excerpt from the last paragraph of my link above.

In Brussels, meanwhile, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said on Thursday that in light of the events in eastern Ukraine, the alliance's defense ministers had agreed to proceed with the formation of a quick-reaction force of 5,000 ground troops and boost the size of its Response Force from 13,00 to 30,000 personnel.
pfd/sms (Reuters, AP, AFP)


Note those 3 news sources. DW in Germany led with this story then the US media picked it up. Let it go.

[ColesCountyDem]

45. No, you let it go.

The news report I cited bears no resemblance to yours, last paragraph be damned. There is no ceasefire, as RT, your original source, claimed. RT's story claimed that there was a ceasefire in place, pending talks about federalization or division or Ukraine. There is not.

[Manifest Destiny]

48. RT was not my original source.

Your confused. I simply defended that CNN was no better than RT.

[ColesCountyDem]

49. And Manifest Destiny wasn't your original account, either, sock puppet.

Enjoy your pizza.

[snappyturtle]

47. I just posted #46...ABC link to the story. MAYBE some will understand

now that the U.S. reporting on Ukraine, if it happens at all, is again late.

[snappyturtle]

46. ABC is FINALLY reporting it...

http://abcnews.go.com/International/desperate-civilians-evacuate-ukraine-humanitarian-truce/story?id=28770910

Of course you have to wade through the U.S. propaganda in the embedded video.

What RT called a ceasefire others, finally recognizing that this "mythical event" is happening, is calling it a truce. Whatever. It's a humanitarian effort to evacute citizens....and has been extended according to ABC.

[another_liberal]

3. Here's hoping it holds and this nightmare ends for the people of eastern Ukraine.

Maybe Merkel and Hollande really took over today in Kiev and insisted the war has to end through negotiation, and not an unachievable military victory?

[snappyturtle]

4. I was thinking the same! You know a couple days ago the President or head of

the Czech Republic was said to say the sanctions have to end on Russia because Europe needs them. Good signs all....

[uhnope]

8. Reminds me of the Climate Change Denier in the Czech Republic

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/georgemonbiot/2009/mar/06/climate-change-deniers-top-10
if you know anything about that man in Czech Republic you'd be embarrassed to cite him--he's well-known as a stooge for Russia:
http://www.ceskenoviny.cz/zpravy/czech-historians-experts-at-ukraine-criticise-zeman-s-statements/1168322

Here's your guy:

[zeemike]

7. And if we look on the dark side.

It may just be to beef up the arms and equipment...Ukrain will get US help and Russia knowing it will do the same in the east...this is how conflict goes in a proxy war.

To end these wars we have to get rid of neo cons that have been making policy for decades now.

[uhnope]

9. I agree, get rid of the Russian neocons

[zeemike]

10. I am for taking the splinter from our own eye first

Before we try to tell others to do it.
And I suspect if you were Russian you would be saying the same things about the US. It is that us and them thinking that got us here and keeps us here on the brink of a disastrous war.

[uhnope]

11. we don't have a splinter. Russia started this war, Russia is pursuing this war

[zeemike]

12. You keep proveing my point.

None so deaf as those that will not hear. None so blind as those that will not see.

Matthew Henry

[uhnope]

14. your point is based on a false premise

Была́ не была́.

[zeemike]

15. So are you trying to say you live in Russia?

And the Russian people hate it and love us?

[newthinking]

17. Reports are the discussion in Russia included possible peacekeepers

That would be the best thing. Seal things off and makes it much more difficult for either side to break the peace.


It will still take a lot of work. The politicization that occurred has been way worse than pretty much anything in the past and certainly has compromised trust in institutions. Peace is not going to come easy.

[zeemike]

19. I am worried that peace will ever come at all.

And judging by the propaganda we see being pumped out I don't think some want peace.
And I don't know what the end game is but it is a dangerous game they play. Dangerous for us and the world.

[Fred Sanders]

13. Is Sputnik News a good source?

Kiev Accepts Donetsk Proposal on Ceasefire in Debaltseve Area

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150205/1017847613.html#ixzz3QvUQkRFM

[ColesCountyDem]

22. Same prostitute, different street corner.

Find a Ukrainian news service that says Ukraine has accepted.

[Fred Sanders]

23. Allegations of whoring are going to require evidence, this is not Fox. Yet.

[ColesCountyDem]

25. Reports that Ukraine has accepted the ceasefire require evidence from the Ukrainian gov't.

I've yet to see any.

[Fred Sanders]

26. One does not see much evidence from the collapsing Kiev government of much of anything, come to think of it.

[ColesCountyDem]

27. "collapsing Kiev government"

Do tell us more. You seem to be aware of things that no one else is, like Western Europe, the US, NATO, etc. .

[BayouBengal07]

16. This kind of "inside info" is consistent with RT

For instance, last Friday I learned that the Western backed coup in Kiev resulted in an economic crisis and civil war (not Russian invasion), and that it's "widely understood" (by whom?) that Ukraine faces collapse. Also, this guy said there's proof that the downing of MH17 by Russian separatists was a "false flag" operation.

[newthinking]

18. Everyone has an opinion and nobody knows the truth because information is not being released.

In my opinion it (MH17) leans toward a rebel mistake, but I would really like to know why the MSM and western governments are covering up that Ukraine had been using civilian aircraft as "human shields" on bombing runs. There were complaints of it before MH17 went down, and the fact that a military jet was also present and the normal route was changed seems to further the evidence.

However, we may never know what happened since propaganda (on all sides) is more important than people's right to know and understand events. If peace is brokered I would not be surprised if part of the deal would be to "move on" and bury all the questions on all sides.

One thing I learned from this. There is a bigger problem with the way media works than simple "bias". And it is a serious threat to what democracy we have left.

[Fred Sanders]

24. Kiev's forced military draft is going as well as their propaganda, they will be begging for peace soon

Eastern Ukraine was always far more Russian than Ukrainian, time for some drawing of boundries and the end of slaughtering innocents for land and power lust.

[snappyturtle]

28. +1 Now Kiev will draft women too......desperation in my book. nt

[newthinking]

29. They passed a law this week: Commanders can now shoot people who they believe are deserters without

trial.

[Fred Sanders]

31. Well then, where do psycopaths sign up to be a Kiev regime killer-commander?

Bet that helps with their forced recruitment drive.

[newthinking]

32. See Right sector or Azov battalion

[stonecutter357]

20. .

[nilesobek]

43. Bashing RT is a losing tactic now.

The American media is boring, corrupt and just say the stories the way their told to or else. Then you got Brian Williams and numerous other disgraced American reporters and anchorpersons.

Not saying RT is much different on biases but I've had it with all media. I don't watch RT or NBC or any others. Sometimes I will link to a video.