Reminder: War is hell - Time to ratchet pressure for PEACE

[newthinking]

[font size=2]Since cold warriors are spamming video with a certain viewpoint and incendiary headlines it is important to point out the inconsistency and inefficacy of attempting to paint this horror as a partisan exercise while pushing for further escalation.

The Rebels have gone on the offensive and certainly Kiev (and the US) understood this was going to happen.

It is not reported in the western media, but Ukraine openly has stated over and over again that it is preparing, arming, and training for at least three new major offensives. It is no surprise that this has undermined the peace process. It is simply logic that they would go on the offensive and not wait to die.

What we need is real pressure on Kiev (not mixed messages as we have given them until now). Let people in all parts of the country live. I think the people prefer to live and work toward what they want in the future. A future that war-makers would prefer they not be alive to express.[/font]

WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER!


Ukraine army bombs cities in the east

Ukraine War - Lugansk. Projectile Hit the High-rise 27.07.2014

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Death toll in Ukraine conflict exceeds 5,000, may be 'considerably higher' – UN
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=49882

[another_liberal]

1. You mean we should actually encourage the Ukrainian government to talk with the Separatists . . .

Instead of paying for Kiev's massive new draft call-up, supplying them with more military equipment and dispatching American trainers and advisers for their army?

Why that's just plain crazy talk!




(sarcasm)

[DeSwiss]

12. +1000

[salib]

2. Even more stark reasons why war is not the answer.

If you are on the side of peace, you are not supporting any "side" in a conflict. You are supporting ending the conflict.

Apologists for any warring side have lost sight of this simple fact or have no interest in peace and only want to "win."

It is pathetic and depressing.

[uhnope]

3. translation: Now that the Russian forces look like a murdering war criminals to all sane observers

you want to pretend the Russian separatist's unilateral attack on a Ukrainian city this weekend was because of an "offensive" by Ukraine (a preemptive strike, basically. Now who's apeing the neocons?)

And you use some pointless video by Iranian government state media to prove that point. Really. The same totalitarian government that just started a military agreement with Russia and called the USA the "Great Satan" once again this weekend.

Putin's apologists have really, really lost it.

If you think "war is not the answer," call for Putin to withdraw all of his soldiers and military support from his proxy forces in Ukraine. To release all the Ukrainian POWs are they holding in total violation of the Geneva Conventions. We're waiting.

[newthinking]

4. I know you are itching for more escalation / dead

Must feel a bit awkward since on a liberal board most people tend to want peace and understand that trying to declare on party good and another evil is not very realistic.

[newthinking]

5. No pretending needed: 1-18-2015 "Ukrainian Leadership Decides in Favor of War" (mobilization declare

Not exactly a secret: Just not generally covered by our press.

Ukrainian Leadership Decides in Favor of War

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2015/01/18/ukrainian-leadership-decides-in-favor-of-war.html


WORLD
Ukrainian Leadership Decides in Favor of War
Pavel DMITRIEV | 18.01.2015 | 00:21

Has the countdown to the second Ukrainian War been launched? Or, perhaps, the second Ukrainian War has already been started? Anyway the cease-fire is broken. The Ukraine’s government frustrated the plans to hold another meeting of the Minsk contact group on January 16. Ukraine keeps on provoking the further aggravation of the situation – the Donetsk airport fighting has become more intense recently. The Kiev-based regime is launching a large-scale offensive against the Donetsk and Luhansk republics along the entire front line.

Direct talks between Kiev and the Donbass republics could have reduced tensions but Ukraine flatly rejects such an idea. The economic situation is getting worse to make stronger the temptation to play the winner takes it all game and try to force the insurgents into submission. The Ukraine rulers realize that a political settlement will take power away from them. Ukraine is hard set for money, the International Monetary Fund has suspended granting loans, and no credits are to come from other international organizations. The growing taxes are becoming a heavy burden for common people. The approved budget will inevitably disbalance the economy to expand strong but limited in scope local actions into mass protests. Under the circumstances a war is viewed by the Ukraine’s ruling circles as the lesser evil. The people’s mobilization against the outside threat will quell the protest movement for some time. The Ukrainian Neo-Nazi are ready to lead the protests. They have armed formations with seasoned fighters in the ranks, they exert influence on security agencies and they have prepared plans to take the power. The Neo-Nazi strongly support the continuation of war. Dmitriy Yarosh, the leader of Far-Right Ukrainian Militant Group called Pravy Sector, has emphasized that «the patriots will not stand in the way of people as they overthrow the government» but it’s not a priority as long as the war is on. That’s exactly what the ruling circles need at the moment. They have armed the radicals now viewed as a threat to their rule. The war is the better choice. No matter great hardships, the new political entities in the east are gradually improving. They set an example for other regions to make them want more power as the Kiev-initiated partial decentralization process is making progress. All these factors will benefit the Ukrainian government unless its forces suffer defeat again like they did in August, 2014. It looks more and more probable that the Ukrainian rulers want the West to take the renewed fighting as fait accompli hoping it will offer substantial military aid. Former Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili advocates such policy. He has strong influence on the Ukrainian government. Some members of his team are offered to join the Ukrainian cabinet setting an example of outside governance. The Georgian-US lobby in Kiev is inspired by the US Ukraine Freedom Support Act signed into law by President Obama in December. Actually the new law is nothing else but the declaration of war on Russia.

Some say that there are two parties in Kiev. One is the party of war to include Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, Oleksandr Turchynov, the Secretary of National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, Sergei Pashinsky, the head of parliamentary committee for defense and national security, other members of parliament and commanders of punishers’ battalions. This party is opposed by the party of peace. Not exactly so - today it’s impossible to belong to the political elite being a member of the party of peace. These two things are incompatible. The party of peace (journalists believe that President Petro Poroshenko belongs to this group) actually stands for a military solution. The differences are purely tactical - the parties have different views on how to quell the popular uprising in the east.

[newthinking]

6. 3 waves of mobilization - This is all known and planned for

Oleksandr Turchynov (Fundamentalist minister and head of defense) - December 17th

"Ukraine needs a strong army, so with the New Year the authorities to carry out three waves of mobilization"

"Ukraine needs a strong army, so with the New Year the authorities to carry out three waves of mobilization", announced Secretary of the National Security and Defense of Ukraine Oleksandr Turchynov. "In 2015, all those who would not be willing to sign a contract for continued services will gradually retire from the Armed Forces and the National Guard, at the
same time, because we can not leave the army without the soldiers, it is planned in 2015 to hold three waves of mobilization "- he said The first wave will begin January 20, the second will be held in April, the third - in July. The term of military service will increase to one and a half years (until then recruits served in the army a year). Earlier, the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko at a meeting of the National Security Council, said on Saturday of a need of new partial mobilization in the coming year, and Turchynov promised that through conscription for military service in the army will be held rotation and created an efficient provision of no less than 100 thousand people.

[uhnope]

7. 3 compulsive posts in 4 minutes, desperate to justify Putin's war

and to blame Ukraine for even daring to try to stop an occupation of their country.

You guys are looking really frantic

[newthinking]

8. that's all you have unhope?. You spend way too much time just being personal

your time would be better spent actually researching and opening your mind.

[uhnope]

9. LOL! wow! "researching and opening your mind"

from a cultlike follower of Putin, who cites fake news sites to support your points, that is the second funniest post you've written today. You Russian-neocon cheerleader guys prove yourself totally impervious to facts, rationality or even common decency, but you want us in the reality-based community to open our minds. Wow.

Too bad Putin's war on Ukraine is not a laughing matter otherwise.

[KoKo]

10. What are you so angry about?

[uhnope]

11. What are you so happy about--the Russian bombing of Mariopul?

Nice of you to come to the rescue of a fellow Putin sympathizer, but maybe you should tell him/her not to cite Russian anti-Semitic conspiracy websites to support their view that Ukraine is to blame for Russia's aggression on Ukraine.

citations
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017238690#post7

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=239245

[DeSwiss]

13. K&R