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TrollBuster9090

(5,955 posts)
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 05:17 AM Dec 2014

How About A Law That Allows You To Sue Scumbags For Editing Your Words Deliberately To Distort Their

meaning?

I think that would be great, especially during election seasons. But for Fox News, you could invoke the law all year round.

Prime example: At a D.C. protest, protestors chanted the following:

"We won't stop, we can't stop, 'till killer cops are in cell blocks."


Fox Edited it, and claimed they were saying:

"We won't stop, we can't stop, so kill a cop."



Here's unedited footage from C-SPAN

#t=41

And here's the Boston Fox affiliate's deliberately inflammatory and deceptive edit, and narrative.



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How About A Law That Allows You To Sue Scumbags For Editing Your Words Deliberately To Distort Their (Original Post) TrollBuster9090 Dec 2014 OP
I wonder if the individual marchers can sue? riversedge Dec 2014 #1
Or the woman who was chanting in the bull horn. I think she has a good case for slander. TrollBuster9090 Dec 2014 #4
A Florida court SamKnause Dec 2014 #2
True enough. (And disgusting enough) TrollBuster9090 Dec 2014 #3
I do not know. SamKnause Dec 2014 #7
I think that's a good idea. I see it a lot, from media outlets like MADem Dec 2014 #5
I think it would be a good idea, too. You can report what people said, but you can't selectively TrollBuster9090 Dec 2014 #6
I believe CNN and possibly MSNBC are running the same tape kathysart_decoration Dec 2014 #8
Here is another good example-- 4 year old black child's words were deliberately edited PotatoChip Dec 2014 #9
Isnt this called "Libel" and "Slander" n/t 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #10
There may very well be grounds for a defamation lawsuit. backscatter712 Dec 2014 #11
Adding a link, to the article at Gawker. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2014 #12
FAUX news lies again. Go figure SmittynMo Dec 2014 #13
I have to wonder where the FCC is on stuff like this . . . markpkessinger Dec 2014 #14
A brother-in-law of mine asked a very good question about this . . . markpkessinger Dec 2014 #15
Interesting watching the video on youtube 90-percent Dec 2014 #16

riversedge

(70,306 posts)
1. I wonder if the individual marchers can sue?
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 05:45 AM
Dec 2014

They were the ones affected negatively by the slime.


It is ethically and morally wrong what Fox did--but legally??

TrollBuster9090

(5,955 posts)
4. Or the woman who was chanting in the bull horn. I think she has a good case for slander.
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:16 AM
Dec 2014

The Boston Fox News affiliate claimed she was inciting violence and murder, and thus deceptively portrayed her as committing a crime. Something she wasn't doing. I think she can sue for slander, and if I were a lawyer I'd love to give her some pro-bono time preparing the case.

SamKnause

(13,110 posts)
2. A Florida court
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 05:52 AM
Dec 2014

ruled in February, 2003, the news DOES NOT have to be TRUTHFUL or FACTUAL.

What a dysfunctional country the U.S. is.

The laws that protect the citizens of the U.S. are repealed.

The laws that harm the citizens of the U.S. are approved.

The curtain has been raised.

The light can now shine in.

The U.S. government protects corporations, Wall Street and the Pentagon.

The 99% are on their own.

All 3 branches of government are responsible for the sad state the U.S. is in !!!!!!!!!

They sicken me to my core.

TrollBuster9090

(5,955 posts)
3. True enough. (And disgusting enough)
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:14 AM
Dec 2014

But I'm just wondering if there's a legal difference between not having a legal duty to be truthful vs. being DELIBERATELY deceptive, and re-editing peoples' own words for the purpose of misleading other people about what they said.

SamKnause

(13,110 posts)
7. I do not know.
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:35 AM
Dec 2014

We need an attorney to answer that question.

Fox has been off their leash for too long.

I have never watched Fox 'news', but I have done research on them, their owner, their policies, etc.

I have seen numerous Fox 'news' clips and Fox 'News' Pundits clips. (Hannity, Beck, O'Reilly, etc.)

I stopped watching all mainstream media.

The media personalities are just that, paid performers.

I go with independent media and the journalists I have grown to know and trust.

It takes patience, time, and research to find the truth.

I have the time now that I am disabled.

I did not have the time when I was working.

I think that is a big problem in this country.

People are having a tough time keeping food on the table and a roof over their heads.

They are stressed to the breaking point.

When they get a free minute they do not want to spend it researching politicians and fact checking the 'news'.

This U.S. is not a healthy country.

It has been weakened to the point of implosion.

It is sad to see in my lifetime.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
5. I think that's a good idea. I see it a lot, from media outlets like
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:25 AM
Dec 2014

the ones you have provided, to online blogs and even places like DU and Discussionist. People will make short work of the truth to "win" the argument.

All they really do is "win" a reputation for duplicity, because people with the opposite POV are going to "check their work" anyway!

TrollBuster9090

(5,955 posts)
6. I think it would be a good idea, too. You can report what people said, but you can't selectively
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:32 AM
Dec 2014

edit it for the PURPOSE of changing the meaning of what they said. Or, at the very least, people should be able to sue them for slander when they do that.

 
8. I believe CNN and possibly MSNBC are running the same tape
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 08:17 AM
Dec 2014

I know I have seen this issue -about protesters yelling out that they wanted to kill the police - on CNN and possibly MSNBC. There was even some discussion about this call to kill cops. I don't know how to send things, but someone who does should send this to CNN and MSNBC. This is an awful situation. Though I could not understand what the protesters were saying when I saw the tape, my first thought was that it was something that would not actually happen. There would be no call to kill the police. It just did not make sense to me.
Someone please forward this information to the other stations. I would if I knew how!

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
9. Here is another good example-- 4 year old black child's words were deliberately edited
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 09:52 AM
Dec 2014

by a CBS news station to make him sound violent. This is from over 3 years ago, but that makes it no less infuriating. A 4 year old!!!

The first minute is the edited version. It is at the 1 minute mark where you get to hear what was really said.



Here is the YouTube description:
Uploaded on Jul 31, 2011
A CBS news station is under fire after it misquoted a 4-year-old boy making him purposely sound violent on the air.

In the video, the child tells a reporter from WBBM that the shootings don't scare him and that, when he grows up, "I'm going to have me a gun."

The comment made it seem like the streets of Chicago had a future criminal on their hands. But the comment was taken out of context as the station only aired the comment and not what came after.

"I want to be a police officer," said the kid. WBBM TV's reporter responded, "Well then you will have a gun for sure."

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
11. There may very well be grounds for a defamation lawsuit.
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 10:32 AM
Dec 2014

Last time I checked, libel laws were still in effect in the U.S. They're normally difficult to enforce because of First Amendment concerns, but at least in theory, one can still be sued for defamation. Here, we have video evidence of defamation.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,613 posts)
12. Adding a link, to the article at Gawker.
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 10:44 AM
Dec 2014

Disclaimer: I was not at the march. It is possible that at some time during the march someone did utter the words WBFF claimed were uttered. Surely, though, there were dozens of devices recording the event, so this possibility can be researched.

Also, WBFF is the local Fox affiliate, in Baltimore, MD, just like WTTG in Washington, DC. It is not a part of Fox News, which is a separate organization, seen on cable.

So who owns WBFF?

WBFF, channel 45, is a Fox-affiliated television station located in Baltimore, Maryland, USA. WBFF is the flagship station of the locally-based Sinclair Broadcast Group, which also operates MyNetworkTV affiliate WUTB (channel 24) and CW affiliate WNUV (channel 54), through respective local marketing agreements with Deerfield Media and Cunningham Broadcasting.

Sinclair Broadcast Group

Political programming

Sinclair has been known for making several politically motivated programming decisions across its stations, some of which have proven controversial.

In April 2004, Sinclair's ABC affiliates refused to air an episode of Nightline that featured a reading of the names of soldiers killed in the 2003 invasion and subsequent occupation of Iraq. In response, Sinclair argued that the broadcast "[appeared] to be motivated by a political agenda designed to undermine the efforts of the United States in Iraq." ABC responded, saying that the program was meant to be "an expression of respect which seeks to honor those who have laid down their lives for this country." Afterward, the company's political slant was scrutinized by critics when it was publicized that nearly all of Sinclair's recent campaign contributions were to the Republican Party. In particular, the Center for Public Integrity showed concern that the Republican slant of Sinclair's news programming, along with Mark Hyman's past history of government lobbying (particularly calling on the FCC to loosen rules regarding concentration of media ownership), made its stations provide "anything but fair and balanced news programming." Hyman disputed these allegations by stating that its newscasts were "pretty balanced" and that "the reason why some on the left have characterized us as conservative is that we run stories that others in the media spike."

Later in October 2004, just two weeks prior to the 2004 presidential election, it was reported that all 62 of Sinclair's stations would preempt prime time programming to air Stolen Honor: Wounds That Never Heal, a documentary critical of U.S. presidential candidate John Kerry's anti-Vietnam War activism. The film was produced by Carlton Sherwood, a former associate of Tom Ridge, and accuses John Kerry of prolonging the Vietnam War because of his anti-war activism. The organization Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, an anti-Kerry organization whose name become well known in the 2004 election year, was cross-promoting the film as part of a $1.4 million advertising campaign. In response, the Democratic National Committee filed a legal motion with the Federal Election Commission stating that it is inappropriate for the media organization to air "partisan propaganda" in the last 10 days of an election campaign. Following the incident, Sinclair fired its Washington bureau chief Jon Lieberman for publicly criticizing the film in The Baltimore Sun as "biased political propaganda."

Further, WBFF has been made aware of their "goof": Fox45 Apologizes for Error in Newscast

Updated: Monday, December 22 2014, 04:46 PM EST

Fox45 is apologizing for an error made on Fox45 News at Ten last night. We aired a clip from a protest in Washington, DC where we reported protesters were chanting "kill a cop".

We received a phone call from Tawanda Jones, who is in the video, who informed us that the chant was actually "We won't stop….We can't stop…. 'til killer cops…. are in cell blocks".

We here at Fox45 work hard every day to earn your trust and bring you fair and comprehensive news from around the country. Although last night's report reflected an honest misunderstanding of what the protesters were saying, we apologize for the error.

We have deleted the story on our webpage and we offered to have Ms. Jones on Fox45 News at 5:00 tonight for a live interview. We had a constructive conversation with her earlier today and she has accepted our invitation and will join us for a live interview at 5:30.

That said, here's the link:

Slimy Baltimore FOX Affiliate Caught Faking "Kill a Cop" Protest Chant

Which brings me to this. I got home late last night, and the only thing on was the NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams. Brian Williams started off the show by talking about "weeks of anti-police protests." Well, no, the demonstrators were not protesting the police. They were protesting police violence against minorities. That's a different thing, right?

"Fear of anti-police sentiment spreads through departments nationwide"

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
13. FAUX news lies again. Go figure
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 11:06 AM
Dec 2014

The sad part is that this ignorance and lyng, fuels the twisted minds of all those ignorant FAUX viewers. And they believe it too. And this is where the problems begin. Falsehood in the media. I say "SUE EM".

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
14. I have to wonder where the FCC is on stuff like this . . .
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:06 PM
Dec 2014

I mean, Janet Jackson's nipple is exposed for a split second during a live, halftime Superbowl show, and it was such a threat to the republic that the FCC attempts to fine CBS for a half million dollars. Yet something like this, where a news station deliberately represents a call for justice as a call for the murder of police officers, goes unpunished.

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
15. A brother-in-law of mine asked a very good question about this . . .
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:38 PM
Dec 2014

He asked, "Given the current climate, how is this different from yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater?"

How, indeed.

90-percent

(6,829 posts)
16. Interesting watching the video on youtube
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 06:06 PM
Dec 2014

First, because of the title used:

"Sharpton's "Go Kill A Cop" march in Wash DC "

Second, because of some of the comments:

"It's not Fox's fault that the employees don't speak nigger jiggaboo monkey ebonics and did not understand what Tawanda and Shameeka were saying. Maybe if Shameeka could speak english instead of hood rat ebonics, she would be working at Fox instead of Burger King?"


Lastly, some of the comments point out that the distorting misleading Fox New affiliate was in Baltimore, the town where the recent NYC crazy cop killer is from. The implication being the edited to sound like "kill a cop" video may have triggered his trip to NYC to go kill some cops?

And for anybody that thinks America is post racial or post racist, many of the comments in youtube refute that point completely. We have fearful hateful racist monsters all around us.

-90% Jimmy

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