Abolition of Slavery was Not a Fight Against Racism - Gerald Horne on Reality Asserts Itself (5/6)

[KoKo]

Abolition of Slavery was Not a Fight Against Racism - Gerald Horne on Reality Asserts Itself (5/6)
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Published on Aug 21, 2014

Mr. Horne says the Civil War liberated enslaved Africans, but then led directly into the construction of the Jim Crow apartheid regime

STONO RIVER REVOLT...and other Southern Sources but Up the East Coast and down into the Carribean and South American and what went forward....

[lrellok]

1. My head hurts now

The level of historic revisionism here is slightly pathetic. First, please google "Sherman special order 15" and then "Southern Homestead act". So the idea that there was some universal consensus over Jim Crow is a bit disingenuous, the intent of those fighting to free the slaves was to allow them a nearly unprecedented level of both political, social and economic autonomy.

Second, slavery, and current racism, is not about race per say, though skin color does make thing really really simple. It is about neo Feudalism. The ability of elites to maintain control is based upon the ability to threaten the vast "middle" with some lower status if they fail to comply with the wishes of the elites. In Great Brittian it was the irish (identifiable by their hair), in Russia the Hebrews (hair again), in Austria Hungery it was the Slavs (skin color that time), but in every case, a clearly identifiable group is left in a lower position to threaten the remainder of the population into compliance.

Which is of course why jim crow happened. Bereft of that threat, elites both in the north and the south would not only lose control of african americans, but the white working class as well. The serfs would not remain serfs if there where no slaves to reduce them to or replace them with. It is also why to this day elites still use black communities as social experiments (charter schools). If the non black communities demand school reforms that actually teach children how to function and think independently, they get pointed to the inner city schools for examples of "Reform", with the hopes that the non blacks take the hint.

Racism is about maintaining control over all people, not just blacks. And no, having someone else used to manipulate and control me is not a "Privilege".

[KoKo]

2. I thought there were flaws in this interview...but, some interesting bits...

It's a 6 Part Interview...but he has a "new interesting perspective" ....so wondered what others though of it.

I think he is a bit weak in some areas ...but, I'm not an historian but do read a lot about that period.

So...thanks for your view.

[heaven05]

5. ohh, is this is about the white privilege

discussion that is being discussed here like a hit run war with periodic firefights of some intensity. Control by the elites IS what you say. Manipulation of poor whites into hating, hanging and burning the 'other' as seen or told to them by the church ect was an energizing motivation for the racial hate. Yet that hate was not always an outcome of manipulation by elites. It was an understanding of whites, during and after american slavery that blacks, no matter how dirt poor the white was, were lower than them. Maybe this genuine hate was tweaked by the white church and 'elites'. But slavery gave white people the notion they were better than blacks no matter the station of the white person. Period. And people who were recipients of that "privilege" of feeling superior to the 'other' sure as the hell ran with it.

Manipulated or not, that racism is accepted by many whites today as gospel and no manipulation caused that unless you mean hate radio and fux news pundits. The murder in Ferguson shows it's STILL a fact of american life embedded in all it institutions and systems, now backed by militarized storm troopers, otherwise known as the police.

Just my take.

[AverageJoe90]

6. I have to agree.

Yes, indeed, there was a LOT of manipulation of poor and middle-class whites against People of Color by The Powers That Be; that hate didn't just appear out of nowhere, just because of slavery itself.....much of it had to be manufactured. Of course, quite a few gullible people bought into it hook, line, and sinker, but it doesn't really affect my point, either.

To be frank, I'm sure Dr. Horne means well, but so much of his work is based on fringe historical revisionism that it's often a bit hard to separate truth from B.S., even if you do have a fair bit of knowledge of history, like I myself do.

Racism is about maintaining control over all people, not just blacks. And no, having someone else used to manipulate and control me is not a "Privilege".

This. Just this. Whatever "Privilege" some white people may have thought they had, was never more than an illusion, with the exception of a well-off few.

[drynberg]

3. GREAT INTERVIEW

Facts are not always appreciated.

[heaven05]

4. Excellent

great piece of historical fact, especially chasing madison down the street. I love the truth over jingoistic american propaganda.