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sabbat hunter
(6,829 posts)the very anti-Israel "Palestine from the river to the sea" signs, plus things like saying Hamas are freedom fighters and not terrorists.
This march is all about destroying Israel, not 'freeing Palestine' and showing the true colors of BDS.
Uncle Joe
(58,365 posts)"Resistance is justified when people are occupied"
"End the occupation"
"Justice Gaza"
"Gaza"
"Boycott divest and sanction"
"Israel = Racism and genocide"
Just to name a few.
There are almost as many signs as people but the the one thing that jells the liberal, moderate and more extreme members is the unjust treatment of the Palestinians.
sabbat hunter
(6,829 posts)in many parts includes ALL of Israel.
Israel = racism and genocide I will lump in with more anti-israel nonsense
BDS has a very strong anti-israel tilt to it.
And resistance is fine, but what Hamas does is terrorism and that is NEVER justified.
Uncle Joe
(58,365 posts)Hamas had also been working successfully with Netanyahu's government to curtail rocket attacks, Abbas the head of Fatah had condemned rocket attacks as being counterproductive to peace.
A unity government working toward peaceful negotiations and a lasting two state solution would've been easier to obtain before Netanyahu punished them en masse for the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teenagers.
That blew the lid off the powder keg; that is Gaza; an open air prison, ghetto, which Israeli policies created and sustained.
Israel's long time, short sighted, draconian and unjust policies against the Palestinian People only served to create and feed Hamas in the first place.
If Netanyahu had cared about a just peace, he would've welcomed the moderating influence of a unified Palestinian government but he detested it, he could never rise above his hatred or lust for vengeance.
sabbat hunter
(6,829 posts)Hamas shouldn't have kidnapped those kids and killed him (one of the leaders of Hamas just came out today and confirmed it was them). Nor should have hamas launched missiles and rockets in to Israel, which provoked the current battle.
Or perhaps going back to 2006/7 Hamas should not have attacked Israel (at a time when Israel had just withdrawn all people and troops out of Gaza and there as no blockade in place)
Hamas is a terror organization and needs to be disarmed and removed from power.
Uncle Joe
(58,365 posts)Because everything that I have read including the statements from Israeli Police says it was a lone cell at odds with Hamas leadership.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025292409
(snip)
Today, she was proven right:
After Israel's top leadership exhaustively blamed Hamas for kidnap of 3 teens, they've now admitted killers were acting as "lone cell."
read more: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/hamas-didnt-kidnap-the-israeli-teens-after-all.html?mid=twitter_nymag
from Dell Cameron (Daily Dot) on July 25, 2014
The recent explosion of violence in Gaza may have been initially sparked by false or inaccurate claims, according to Israeli police.
The ongoing conflict began last month when three Israeli teenagers were kidnapped from a Jewish settlement in the occupied West Bank. Their bodies were later discovered in a field outside the city of Hebron. Before police were able to determine who was responsible, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu placed blame for the tragic deaths squarely on Hamas, Gaza’s elected political leadership—an accusation that may prove to be false.
On Friday, Chief Inspector Micky Rosenfeld, foreign press spokesman for the Israel Police, reportedly told BBC journalist Jon Donnisonhe that the men responsible for murders were not acting on orders of Hamas leadership. Instead, he said, they are part of a “lone cell.” Further, Inspector Rosenfeld told Donnison that if Hamas’ leadership had ordered the kidnapping, “they'd have known about it in advance.”
If the reported findings the Israeli Police hold up and Hamas is officially cleared of any wrongdoing in the case of the three kidnapped Israeli teens, Netanyahu and the Israeli government may have to explain why a massive military operation, with an 80 percent rate of civilian casualties, was instigated under a false premise. And if violence in the West Bank continues to spread, the IDF may find itself divided on two fronts.
read: http://www.dailydot.com/politics/israel-gaza-kidnap-false-inaccurate/
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Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)Hamas admits kidnapping 3 young Israeli men, setting off Gaza war
Source: CBC
A top Hamas official said members of his militant group kidnapped three Israeli teenagers whose deaths in June provoked a spiral of violence that led to the war in Gaza, the first acknowledgement of the movement's involvement.
Hamas, which controls Gaza, has up till now refused to confirm or deny Israeli accusations that it masterminded the abduction and killing of the three young men, one of them a joint U.S.-Israeli citizen, in Hebron.
"There was much speculation about this operation, some said it was a conspiracy," Saleh al-Arouri told delegates at the International Union of Islamic Scholars in Istanbul on Wednesday, according to a recording of the meeting posted online by organizers.
"The popular will was exercised throughout our occupied land, and culminated in the heroic operation by the Qassam Brigades in imprisoning the three settlers in Hebron," he said, referring to Hamas's armed wing. This was an operation from your brothers in Qassam undertaken to aid their brothers on hunger strike in (Israeli) prisons," he added.
Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/hamas-admits-kidnapping-3-young-israeli-men-setting-off-gaza-war-1.2742649
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014876317
Uncle Joe
(58,365 posts)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qassam_Brigades
The Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades are an integral part of Hamas. While they are subordinate to Hamas's broad political goals and its ideological objectives, they have a significant level of independence in decision making.[9] In 1997, political scientists Ilana Kass and Bard O'Neill described Hamas's relationship with the Brigades as reminiscent of Sinn Féin's relationship to the military arm of the Irish Republican Army and quoted a senior Hamas official: "The Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigade is a separate armed military wing, which has its own leaders who do not take their orders [from Hamas] and do not tell us of their plans in advance."[10] Carrying the IRA analogy further, Kass & O'Neill stated that the separation of the political and military wings shielded Hamas' political leaders from responsibility for terrorism while the plausible deniability this provided made Hamas an eligible representative for peace negotiations as had happened with Sinn Féin's Gerry Adams.[11]
The fighters' identities and positions in the group often remain secret until their death; even when they fight against Israeli incursions, all the militants wear a characteristic black hood on which the group's green headband is attached. The Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades operate on a model of independent cells and even high-ranking members are often unaware of the activities of other cells. This allows the group to consistently regenerate after member deaths. During the al-Aqsa intifada, the leaders of the group were targeted by numerous airstrikes that killed many members, including Salah Shahade and Adnan al-Ghoul. The current leader of the brigades, Mohammed Deif, remains at large and is said to have survived at least five assassination attempts.[12]
There seems to be spoilers on both sides, they feed off each other.
http://blogs.forward.com/jj-goldberg/201172/unruly-hebron-clan-pushes-hamas-and-israel-to/?
The debate erupted into angry verbal confrontations at security cabinet meetings on Monday and Tuesday, reaching a climax at one point when IDF chief of staff Benny Gantz praised the cabinet for adopting a temperate set of counter-measures that avoid escalation into full-scale war. In reply Gantz received a tongue-lashing from economics minister Naftali Bennett of the Jewish Home Party, the cabinet’s strongest advocate of harsh measures. Bennett angrily told Gantz he had no authority to “critique” the ministers’ actions.
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The third and perhaps most significant line of confrontation is the growing tension between Hamas leaders in Gaza and Damascus and the local Hamas organization in Hebron. The Hebron organization, dominated by one of the city’s oldest and largest clans, the Qawasmehs, has effectively operated for more than a decade as an independent franchise within the fundamentalist movement, and frequently as a radical opposition force and spoiler. The Shin Bet has identified Marwan Qawasmeh, 29, and a family hanger-on, Amer Abu-Eisha, 33, as the kidnappers of the yeshiva students.
Several detailed accounts of the Qawasmeh family’s alleged spoiler role in Israeli-Palestinian cease-fire efforts have appeared in several Israeli and international publications in the last day, claiming, based on Palestinian and Israeli intelligence sources, that the clan staged the kidnapping in order to sabotage the Fatah-Hamas unity pact and reignite armed conflict.
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Both Eldar and Gibor describe a series of incidents in 2003 and 2004 when the Qawasmehs repeatedly sabotaged cease-fires between Israel and Hamas by staging spectacular terror attacks, each time provoking Israeli retaliation and on several occasions getting senior Gaza Hamas leaders killed. The Gush Etzion kidnap-murder appears to be a the latest in the pattern, coming two weeks after the Fatah-Hamas unity pact that was supposed to include a Hamas cessation of terror attacks.
Read more: http://blogs.forward.com/jj-goldberg/201172/unruly-hebron-clan-pushes-hamas-and-israel-to/?#ixzz3B8cs8TU9
So I imagine the Qawasmehs are heavy backers of the al-Qassam Brigades, as they have a history of sabotaging cease fires and potential peace negotiations?
The Qawasmehs fertilize the grass, Israel "mows the lawn" and the people of Gaza are caught in the middle.
I wonder why did Israel deport democratically elected Mayor Fahd Qawasmeh in 1980 and who killed him in 1984?
No doubt those incidents radicalized at least some powerful members of that formerly moderate clan.
Another member, Fahd Qawasmeh, was mayor of Hebron from 1976 to 1980, and together with several other mayors was an early advocate of a two-state Israeli-Palestinian peace plan. He was exiled to Lebanon in 1980 following a terrorist murder in Hebron and was quickly made a member of the PLO executive committee. He was assassinated in Amman in 1984. The perpetrators were never identified.
After the founding of Hamas in 1988, a different wing of the Qawasmeh clan rose to prominence. The first Israeli press reports on the Qawasmeh terror organization began to appear in 2003 and 2004, after a string of family members became head of Hamas in Hebron and died, one after another, in armed confrontations with Israeli security forces.
Read more: http://blogs.forward.com/jj-goldberg/201172/unruly-hebron-clan-pushes-hamas-and-israel-to/?#ixzz3B8faQ9AE
Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,365 posts)Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)Why would I even bother to answer your musings?
Uncle Joe
(58,365 posts)the al-Qassam Brigades; which is an independent branch of Hamas claimed responsibility.
I cited evidence that Hamas and the al-Qassam Brigades are similar in structure as Sinn Féin's relationship to the military arm of the Irish Republican Army, they operate independently.
There is no evidence that the political wing of Hamas claimed responsibility, despite the headlines of your and the other poster's links.
I cited evidence that a major, formerly moderate Palestinian clan was suspected by Israeli Police as being behind the kidnappings and murders of the three Israeli teenagers.
I cited evidence that the head of this clan, a democratically elected Mayor which at one time advocated for a two state solution was deported by Israel and assassinated four years later, no one knows who killed him.
I cited evidence that four years after he was assassinated, the clan or at least major elements of it became radicalized, logic would dictate those elements back the al-Qassam Brigades' hard-line approach and the deportation/assassination of that clan's leader had a major negative effect.
I cited evidence that this clan has done its best to spoil or ruin previous attempts of the estranged parties reaching a cease fire and/or peace agreement and every time Israel gets sucked in.
I cited evidence that within the Israeli government there was major disagreement between the Israeli Defense Force Chief of Staff promoting a moderate response and a Minister of Economics in taking a hard-line, heavy fist-ed approach, logic would dictate the same dynamic occurs between the Hamas political wing wanting a unity government, allowing elections and the para-military wing of the al-Qassam Brigades.
Logic and history dictates that every time Israel retaliates in a punitive in mass way, the hard-line al-Qassam Brigades are strengthened in the long run even when many of them die, because many innocents are killed as well. Meanwhile more moderate factions in the Hamas political wing are weakened as Israel becomes more hated by the civilian populace.
If you don't wish to connect the dots or answer my questions, that's your prerogative but Hamas hasn't claimed responsibility, one senior member of the al-Qassam Brigades has.
Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)Last edited Fri Aug 22, 2014, 03:27 PM - Edit history (1)
You wanted proof, got it, and then spilt hairs. Create whatever "dots" you want, it is as it has always been.
ETA:
Uncle Joe (31,125 posts)
6. Do you have link to this Hamas confession?Uncle Joe (31,125 posts)
18. I asked for proof that Hamas did it, the evidence provided by you and the other poster states that
the al-Qassam Brigades; which is an independent branch of Hamas claimed responsibility.
Uncle Joe
(58,365 posts)It is as it has always been, until it isn't.
Good luck to you.
Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)Seems your subject line is meant for yourself.
Uncle Joe
(58,365 posts)all you could say was "splitting hairs" and nothing more than that because you're intent on using a broad brush despite the evidence to the contrary.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/21/hamas-kidnapping-three-israeli-teenagers-saleh-al-arouri-qassam-brigades
Claim by Saleh al-Arouri, a founder of Hamas's military wing, is doubted by experts and not supported by other Hamas sources
(snip)
His claim has not been supported by any other member of Hamas.
Hugh Lovatt, Israel and Palestine coordinator at the European Council on Foreign Relations, said that while al-Arouri was a significant Hamas figure – serving as the group's most prominent representative in Turkey – the former militant could have an ulterior motive for making his claim.
"Given the timing I would be very suspicious about his claim. I still don't believe Hamas as an organization and its upper echelons sanctioned the kidnappings – something that Israeli intelligence also believes," he said.
Lovatt said that al-Arouri may be trying to claim credit for the actions of others in an attempt to demonstrate his own continued sway in the West Bank and Hamas's ability to hit Israel after failing to secure significant concessions after six weeks of violence in Gaza.
"A second, more remote possibility, is that al-Arouri is telling the truth and that he has operated on his own initiative – a development with very worrying repercussions as it would imply a serious power struggle and splintering within Hamas," he said.
Netanyahu's government is of the same mind as you, so they killed more than 2000 Palestinians many of them innocent men, women and children.
sabbat hunter
(6,829 posts)on both Sinn Fein and Hamas in their claims that one 'arm' does not know what the other is doing. The are one and the same.
sabbat hunter
(6,829 posts)cpwm17
(3,829 posts)His claim has not been supported by any other member of Hamas.
Hugh Lovatt, Israel and Palestine coordinator at the European Council on Foreign Relations, said that while al-Arouri was a significant Hamas figure – serving as the group's most prominent representative in Turkey – the former militant could have an ulterior motive for making his claim.
"Given the timing I would be very suspicious about his claim. I still don't believe Hamas as an organization and its upper echelons sanctioned the kidnappings – something that Israeli intelligence also believes," he said.
None of this really matters, unless one believes the Palestinians have a right to level Israeli towns whenever illegal settlers murder Palestinians. The settlers are forced on the Palestinians by the Israeli government, which would make Israeli cities fair game for leveling, by the same logic.
Uncle Joe
(58,365 posts)I have no doubt the settlers are forced on the Palestinians by the Israeli government because it knows there will be reprisals and in turn giving them excuse/reason to attack the Palestinians.
Both parties hatred has just about consumed them, some peace giants need to break that cycle.
swilton
(5,069 posts)is defined as violence by non-state actors...Hamas would be a 'state actor' if the US and Israel had recognized the Palestinian state like 138 states of the UN General Assembly (UN vote- Nov 2012)= 138 in favor; 9 opposed; 41 abstaining) = 68% of member states = 80% of world's population.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0155722/
Hamas, unlike Israel, has no army, no navy, no air force, and no nuclear weapons.
While state actor violence perpetuated on the state of Palestine by Israel is far greater exponentially and quantitatively - it may have legitimacy by some because Israel is recognized as a state. But war after all is terrorism by state actors. I won't go into the allegations that Israel's wars/state supported violence are war crimes. Nor will I go into the state violence conducted by the US on other countries far weaker and also the US violations of international law.
sabbat hunter
(6,829 posts)is not a "state actor". The recognized authority over the Palestinians is the PA. Hamas ejected the PA forces violently back in 2006 from Gaza.
Uncle Joe
(58,365 posts)they were undermined by extremists in a lone cell group of the al-Qassam Brigades and in turn Netanyahu's brutal mass reprisal.
Furthermore, the Jews weren't recognized as a state when they were battling "recognized authority" Britain after World War II, so were they "terrorists" or "freedom fighters?"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel
The Jewish Legion, a group primarily of Zionist volunteers, assisted in the British conquest of Palestine in 1918.[69] Arab opposition to British rule and Jewish immigration led to the 1920 Palestine riots and the formation of a Jewish militia known as the Haganah (meaning "The Defense" in Hebrew), from which the Irgun and Lehi, or Stern Gang, paramilitary groups later split off.[70] In 1922, the League of Nations granted Britain a mandate over Palestine under terms similar to the Balfour Declaration.[71] The population of the area at this time was predominantly Arab and Muslim, with Jews accounting for about 11%,[72] Christians 9.5%.[73]
(snip)
After World War II, Britain found itself in fierce conflict with the Jewish community, as the Haganah joined Irgun and Lehi in an armed struggle against British rule.[75] At the same time, hundreds of thousands of Jewish Holocaust survivors and refugees sought a new life far from their destroyed communities in Europe. The Yishuv attempted to bring these refugees to Palestine but many were turned away or rounded up and placed in detention camps in Atlit and Cyprus by the British. In 1947, the British government announced it would withdraw from Mandatory Palestine, stating it was unable to arrive at a solution acceptable to both Arabs and Jews.
On 15 May 1947, the General Assembly of the newly formed United Nations resolved that a committee, United Nations Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP), be created "to prepare for consideration at the next regular session of the Assembly a report on the question of Palestine".[76] In the Report of the Committee dated 3 September 1947 to the UN General Assembly,[77] the majority of the Committee in Chapter VI proposed a plan to replace the British Mandate with "an independent Arab State, an independent Jewish State, and the City of Jerusalem ... the last to be under an International Trusteeship System".[78] On 29 November 1947, the General Assembly adopted a resolution recommending the adoption and implementation of the Plan of Partition with Economic Union as Resolution 181 (II).[79] The Plan attached to the resolution was essentially that proposed by the majority of the Committee in the Report of 3 September 1947.
sabbat hunter
(6,829 posts)were terror organizations, both against the British and the local Arab populace.
Haganah for the most part was more of a defensive force, protecting kibbutzim against attacks from Arabs. Haganah in fact worked with the British to detain, expel from the Mandate members of Irgun who were committing terrorist acts.
Post WW2, Haganah attacked some British military targets (detention camps, attacking radar installations, etc). Those are legitimate targets of a resistance force.
See that is the difference. Attacking purely and only military targets, and attacking/attempting to attack civilian only targets. Hamas attempts (and has succeeded) in attacking purely civilian targets.
Israel currently attacks Hamas, who hides in civilian areas (which btw is against the rules of war to hide weapons, ammo, etc in civilian areas).
A leader of Hamas has taken responsibility for the attack and killing of the Israeli youths. This is not some 'rebel cell' or group that did it on their own, but Hamas.
Uncle Joe
(58,365 posts)This has been condemned as well, going all the way back to 1953 and Israel still encroaches on Palestinian land and blows up houses to this day.
http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/017EEFB458011C9D05256722005E5499
13. On 28-29 January 1953 Israeli military forces estimated at 120 to 150 men, using 2-inch mortars, 3-inch mortars, P.I.A.T. (projectors, infantry, anti-tank) weapons, bangalore torpedoes (long metal tubes containing an explosive charge), machine-guns, grenades and small arms, crossed the demarcation line and attacked the Arab villages of Falameh and Rantis. At Falameh the mukhtar was killed, seven other villagers were wounded, and three houses were demolished. The attack lasted four and a half hours. Israel was condemned for this act by the Mixed Armistice Commission.
(snip)
17. On the night of 11 August 1953, Israel military forces using demolition mines, bangalore torpedoes, 2-inch mortars, machine-guns and small arms attacked the villages of Idna, Surif and Wadi Fukin, inflicting casualties among the inhabitants and destroying dwellings. The Mixed Armistice Commission condemned Israel for these attacks.
(snip)
19. Following the receipt of a Jordan complaint that a raid on the village of Qibya had been carried out by Israel military forces during the night of 14-15 October, between 9.30 p.m. and 4.30 a.m., a United Nations investigation team departed from Jerusalem for Qibya at about 6.30 a.m. on 15 October. The acting chairman also left for Qibya on the same morning. On reaching the village, he found that between thirty and forty buildings had been completely demolished, including the school, the water-pumping station, the police station and the telephone office.
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21. Bullet-riddled bodies near the doorways and multiple bullet hits on the doors of the demolished houses indicated that the inhabitants had been forced to remain inside until their homes were blown up over them.
There is much more on the link if you care to read it.
Furthermore it was a single senior leader of the al-Qassam Brigades and he has a an interest in scuttling any type of rapprochement between Israel and the Palestinians.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/21/hamas-kidnapping-three-israeli-teenagers-saleh-al-arouri-qassam-brigades
Claim by Saleh al-Arouri, a founder of Hamas's military wing, is doubted by experts and not supported by other Hamas sources
(snip)
His claim has not been supported by any other member of Hamas.
Hugh Lovatt, Israel and Palestine coordinator at the European Council on Foreign Relations, said that while al-Arouri was a significant Hamas figure – serving as the group's most prominent representative in Turkey – the former militant could have an ulterior motive for making his claim.
"Given the timing I would be very suspicious about his claim. I still don't believe Hamas as an organization and its upper echelons sanctioned the kidnappings – something that Israeli intelligence also believes," he said.
Lovatt said that al-Arouri may be trying to claim credit for the actions of others in an attempt to demonstrate his own continued sway in the West Bank and Hamas's ability to hit Israel after failing to secure significant concessions after six weeks of violence in Gaza.
"A second, more remote possibility, is that al-Arouri is telling the truth and that he has operated on his own initiative – a development with very worrying repercussions as it would imply a serious power struggle and splintering within Hamas," he said.
sabbat hunter
(6,829 posts)is now admitting to the kidnappings
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/22/world/meast/mideast-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
go to that link and you will see and hear it.
Uncle Joe
(58,365 posts)article is correct.
From your own link.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/22/world/meast/mideast-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Hamas admits its men abducted Israeli teens, says its leaders didn't know
Gaza (CNN) -- A Hamas official admitted Friday that militants from his group abducted three Israeli teens in the West Bank in June, but the official said the kidnappers did not tell their leaders about the action.
(snip)
Saleh Aruri, a Hamas Political Bureau member, said in a statement from Doha, Qatar, the operation to abduct the teens was not approved by the Hamas leadership or its military wing, the Qassam Brigades.
"At that time, the Hamas leadership had no knowledge about this group or the operation it had just carried," Aruri said, referring to the abductors. "It turned out later, however, that they were members of Hamas."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/21/hamas-kidnapping-three-israeli-teenagers-saleh-al-arouri-qassam-brigades
Claim by Saleh al-Arouri, a founder of Hamas's military wing, is doubted by experts and not supported by other Hamas sources
(snip)
His claim has not been supported by any other member of Hamas.
Hugh Lovatt, Israel and Palestine coordinator at the European Council on Foreign Relations, said that while al-Arouri was a significant Hamas figure – serving as the group's most prominent representative in Turkey – the former militant could have an ulterior motive for making his claim.
"Given the timing I would be very suspicious about his claim. I still don't believe Hamas as an organization and its upper echelons sanctioned the kidnappings – something that Israeli intelligence also believes," he said.
Lovatt said that al-Arouri may be trying to claim credit for the actions of others in an attempt to demonstrate his own continued sway in the West Bank and Hamas's ability to hit Israel after failing to secure significant concessions after six weeks of violence in Gaza.
"A second, more remote possibility, is that al-Arouri is telling the truth and that he has operated on his own initiative – a development with very worrying repercussions as it would imply a serious power struggle and splintering within Hamas," he said.
Uncle Joe
(58,365 posts)being whether they attack civilian or military targets, here is a case of a suicide bomber attacking IDF soldiers.
In retaliation the IDF blew up his father's home without giving warning while causing a neighboring house to collapse killing a woman that was nine months pregnant and wounding her husband and ten children all to be crushed in the rubble.
http://electronicintifada.net/content/palestinian-woman-crushed-death-israeli-forces-blew-her-home/1207
Palestinian woman crushed to death as Israeli forces blew up her home
On the night of March 2, IDF forces invaded the Al-Burej refugee camp in what the IDF Spokesperson referred to as an “IDF action against the terror infra-structure.” During the operation, the army blew up the house of ‘Adel ‘Abd a-Salam, whose son had committed, according to the IDF Spokesperson, a suicide attack in the Gaza Strip, wounding four soldiers.
As a result of the explosion, the wall of the neighboring house, the home of Shukri and Nuha al-Mukadame and their ten children collapsed. No one warned the members of the family or told them to evacuate the house. The mother, Nuha Al-Mukadame, 33 and nine months pregnant, was crushed to death under the rubble. Her husband and her children were all injured.
(snip)
There is more on the link if you want to read it.
So were Israeli soldiers the terrorists and the suicide bomber a freedom fighter in this case?
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)The PA had no authority to rule over the Gaza Strip.
sabbat hunter
(6,829 posts)Hamas won a plurality of the vote, not a majority. Plus the president of the PA was a member of Fatah and had a lot of power under the laws that the PA has.
The PA is comprised of all of the parties. Hamas was part of that, Fatah another part. The PA is the overall governing body.
As Hamas did not win a majority, they should have been in a power share with Fatah within the PA, but Hamas kicked the PA out, ruled on their own.
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)They failed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007)
sabbat hunter
(6,829 posts)pro hamas viewpoint.
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)about your support for mass-murder against a highly oppressed population, go ahead and believe that.
LloydS of New London
(355 posts)From the Torah:
Job 4:8 - Even as I have seen, they that plow iniquity, and sow wickedness, reap the same.
Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)Which explains its support from a number of people.
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)You are really on this issue, Uncle Joe, and I appreciate all the information you've posted.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)And not an armored tank in sight!
BaggersRDumb
(186 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,365 posts)black and white, totally oblivious to the infinite shades of gray in between.
