CNN: "Russia Today That's The Moscow Controlled Propaganda Channel"

[abovesobelow]

[Fred Sanders]

1. RT: "CNN, That's The Wall Street Controlled Propaganda Channel"

They are both correct.

[abovesobelow]

2. Unlikely, wall street is made up of a diverse group of business often with

conflicting Interests. Rt on the other hand is a Russian State Run media outlet aimed at Western nations, their sole purpose is to convince Americans that the American government somehow acts in extreme manners in response to....violence.

Basically it is RT's premise that Russia is always rights as concerns response to terrorism, and America is always wrong because it deserves to be terrorized.......

[RufusTFirefly]

4. And is the state-run BBC simply a megaphone for the Cameron government?

If not, I'd be curious to learn the difference.

[iandhr]

11. BBC is public but the government doesn't control content.

They won't be a megaphone for Cameron during the next election.

Just like they weren't a megaphone for Gordon Brown during the last election.

[RufusTFirefly]

13. The BBC has controlled content in the past.

The list of songs banned by the BBC, for example, is quite impressive

List of songs banned by the BBC

Moreover, some 67 additional songs were banned by the BBC during the course of the first Gulf War.
They included truly dangerous tunes like "Waterloo" by ABBA, "Saturday Night's Alright for Fighting" by Elton John, and, of course, "Imagine" by John Lennon.

In addition, according to Wikipedia, "During The Troubles in Northern Ireland the BBC, ITV and Channel 4 regularly stopped or postponed the broadcast of documentaries relating to Ireland."

I mention all these not to condemn the BBC nor to praise RT, but to point out that every media outlet has a bias. Sometimes that bias is driven by commercial concerns. In other words, it's about money. Other times, it's driven by political concerns, which in our country are so tightly woven with commercial concerns that it's difficult to tell them apart sometimes.

Was Putin running MSNBC when Phil Donahue was taken off the air in 2003, even though he had the highest rated show on the network?

Should we be complacent about the fact that many U.S. news shows are sponsored by BigPharma, BigAg, and the MIC?

[Tarheel_Dem]

20. Did they "control" this too? BBC: "Many Russians stranded as tour firm Labirint fails".

Many Russians stranded as tour firm Labirint fails


Sunny Beach, Bulgaria: The country's Black Sea coast is popular with Russians

As many as 27,000 Russian tourists are stranded abroad after a Russian tour firm, Labirint, suspended operations

A company statement (in Russian) blamed the move on a deterioration in the rouble exchange rate and the "negative political and economic situation".

There are signs that EU-US sanctions on Russia over the Ukraine crisis are hurting the wider economy, including Western investment in Russia.

A Russian tycoon says his executive jet is grounded because of US sanctions. Billionaire businessman Gennady Timchenko - close to President Vladimir Putin - told Russia's Itar-Tass news agency (in Russian) that Gulfstream was no longer servicing his jet and the pilots were not allowed to use its navigation equipment.

Anxious Labirint customers are bombarding Turpomoshch with calls at a rate of five per minute, the agency says, adding that "our managers are working flat-out" to help them. ...... Last month another Russian tour operator, Neva, also went bust.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28637794

Be sure & read the whole thing, it's well worth it.

[TT_Progress]

30. That fits the narrative. Why would it be controlled?

And it is not always what is covered, but the adjectives and wording that is used.

The BBC has definitely slanted their coverage. But now that some aspects that were previously ignored are getting more difficult to contain those stories are occasionally breaking forward.

[TT_Progress]

34. Here is an example of an article politically removed from the BBC

Because the report (from the ground in Ukraine) went against the narrative. The BBC has heavily narrated this subject.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/deleted-bbc-report-ukrainian-fighter-jet-shot-down-mhi7-donetsk-eyewitnesses/5393631

I believe the villagers jumped to conclusions (they thought the fighter took down the plane), but the piece included reports (that are everywhere outside the west media) that Ukraine fighters have been routinely using commercial airliners as cover and that seemed to be part of the dynamic of what happened to MH17.

There are videos months ago of people being concerned about this but you do not see them in our media. The planes fighters would stay in close proximity to airliners flying at higher altitudes until they reached the bombing area.

[TT_Progress]

29. Incredibly naive

to think that.

In the modern world of geopolitics and oligarchal economics supposedly "free" press is very easily manipulated.

It is more difficult to understand the dynamics of how much of the western press is controlled because the link is not as visible to the common viewer, but there is no mistaking the fact that : When powers want a certain narrative bad enough, the western press will do it. Not always 100%, but there are plenty of examples and Ukraine is one of the best that I have seen.

[MattSh]

5. So the truth always gets through...

Is that what you're suggesting?

[abovesobelow]

17. No, quite frankly the success of any cilization will depend on the ability and

motivation of its citizens to engage themselves in its evolution. We have to be willing to sift through a sea of reporting bia's in order to build an understandable context.

The truth is always there, often right in front of us, unfortunately under layers of sensationalism and "newspeak" designed to mold our interpretation of events.

A truth will certainly get through, whose truth depends on us.

[TT_Progress]

31. So if the "cause" appears right, then it is important that

a particular version of "truth" persist?

I am trying to understand your comment.

How does this work when explaining ones' version of the truth includes leaving out events and information that is inconvenient to that narrative?

[swilton]

21. Would much rather listen to RT

than Wolf 'Knesset' Blitzer on CNN.

RT has had excellent programming with substantive academic discussions unlike the punditocracy that appears on CNN.



Liz Wahl was discredited long ago as a plant. She isn't even worth watching. This is the Ring of Fire story which was posted on DU but I found it on Youtube.

[abovesobelow]

23. Eh, I'd rather not have a former KBG thug yield any influence over what enters my mind.

Just my opinion

[swilton]

24. You may try to be entertaining with the hyperbole

but you certainly aren't accurate. They have had countless American and other international experts on as guests.

[abovesobelow]

27. Nonetheless, Putin is master of their content, I'd rather not have and OLD KBG THUG

"In the UK, Litvinenko became a journalist for a Chechen separatist site, Chechenpress. Litvinenko wrote two books, Blowing up Russia: Terror from within and Lubyanka Criminal Group, where he accused the Russian secret services of staging Russian apartment bombings and other terrorism acts to bring Vladimir Putin to power.

On 1 November 2006, Litvinenko suddenly fell ill and was hospitalized. He died three weeks later, becoming the first confirmed victim of lethal polonium-210-induced acute radiation syndrome.[2] According to doctors, "Litvinenko's murder represents an ominous landmark: the beginning of an era of nuclear terrorism".[3][4][5]

Litvinenko's allegations about the misdeeds of the FSB and his public deathbed accusations that Russian president Vladimir Putin was behind his unusual malady resulted in worldwide media coverage.[6]

Subsequent investigations by British authorities into the circumstances of Litvinenko's death led to serious diplomatic difficulties between the British and Russian governments. Unofficially, British authorities asserted that "we are 100% sure who administered the poison, where and how", but they did not disclose their evidence in the interest of a future trial. The main suspect in the case, a former officer of the Russian Federal Protective Service (FSO), Andrey Lugovoy, remains in Russia. As a member of the Duma, he now enjoys immunity from prosecution. Before he was elected to the Duma, the British government tried to extradite him without success."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko

[swilton]

28. Citing one example does not make a universal truth

Should I name all the conspiracies linked to the US and CIA?

Stephen Cohen and John Mearsheimer have both been featured guests on RT - other prominent scholars as well You might do well to become familiar with their work because their respected (not controlled by Putin as you suggest) scholars in their field who have been critical of US foreign policy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_F._Cohen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mearsheimer

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017189485


You will/would never see this kind of discussion of CNN. Furthermore, they must be desperate to try to set up some hatchet job with Liz Wahl.....By dragging her out so soon after her great March debacle, shows just what little respect that they have for their viewing audience.

[wandy]

3. Just a reminder............

First I am in no way defending RT.

For sure RT is a Russian Government Controlled Propaganda Channel.
For sure much of American media are Corporate Controlled Propaganda Channels.

Be critical!

[DeSwiss]

6. +1000

To be critical requires discernment.

Discernment requires patience and knowledge.

- And there's the rub......

''Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.''

Proverbs 4, 7

[swilton]

25. John Pilger noted

in a recent video posted here (you can probably still catch it on Video & Multimedia as I saw it this week) that both the Soviet/RT news media and the US media were/are propaganda. The difference was that the Soviets & East Europeans knew that they were being lied to.

[TT_Progress]

33. +1 - Soft propaganda is actually more effective

Here is the link to John Pilger's article on this:


http://johnpilger.com/articles/the-return-of-george-orwell-and-big-brothers-war-on-palestine-ukraine-and-truth

[TT_Progress]

32. Corporations are (mostly) in control of our government

So really there is not necessarily much difference between Government controlled and Corporate controlled. They are symbiotic at this point.

Now alternative sites in the US not being corporate controlled, still have more freedom to report more objectively. And using those as source my experience has been that RT on the whole has been more accurate in regards to the Ukrainian crisis than the corporate media.

Does that mean they are trustworthy on every point? No, but since the media in Ukraine is heavily controlled (sources that conflict with Kiev have been deported casually), then it becomes important to at least consider other sources.

[Tarheel_Dem]

7. "Very consistent fringe extremist following; this is the audience they cultivated".

[iandhr]

14. Many people here buy it hook line and sinker.

[Tarheel_Dem]

15. And apparently, "they are now viewed by 50 million US households", and "expanding to Latin America".

[abovesobelow]

18. And then Putin woke up, and realized those are his fabricated numbers............

and the world felt better knowing a violent former KGB thug started his day off on the wrong side of the bed

[Garthem]

8. And Fox News is the MURDOCH-controlled propaganda network

[Maedhros]

9. As if CNN is not a corporate-controlled American propaganda channel...[n/t]

[jakeXT]

10. They miss the days during the Kosovo war, when CNN employed U.S. Army Psych. Operations personnel

U.S. Army’s Psychological Operations Personnel

From June 1999 to March 2000, CNN employed military specialists in ‘psychological operations’ (Psyops) in their Southeast TV bureau and CNN radio division.

“Psyops personnel, soldiers, and officers, have been working in CNN’s headquarters in Atlanta through our program ‘Training With Industry,’” Major Thomas Collins of the U.S. Army Information Service said in a telephone interview on February 18, 2000. Collins asserted, “They worked as regular employees of CNN. Conceivably, they would have worked on stories during the Kosovo war. They helped in the production of news.”

CNN had hosted a total of five interns from U.S. Army Psyops, two in television, two in radio, and one in satellite operations. The military/CNN personnel belonged to the airmobile Fourth Psychological Operations Group stationed at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. One of the main tasks of this group of almost 1,200 soldiers and officers is to spread “selected information.” The propaganda group was involved in the Gulf War, the war in Bosnia, and the crisis in Kosovo.

http://www.projectcensored.org/3-us-armys-psychological-operations-personnel-worked-at-cnn/


They were the only game in town

[zeemike]

12. And that young lady will land a good job in the MSM.

That will pay a lot more...you can count on that.
And it will be a place that "tells the truth"...like CNN or Fox...she will fit right in.

[Tarheel_Dem]

16. Did you listen to the tape? She said you'd say that.

[zeemike]

19. Well it is easy to predict.

You always reward the ones who help you, not just because they deserve it but more to send a message to others to do the same...The carrot works as well as the stick, but mostly on the hungry.

[Tarheel_Dem]

22. If you say so.

[Dawson Leery]

26. CNN: "That corporate controlled propaganda channel".

[jamzrockz]

35. I am going to use this

clip for a drinking game, I will take a shot every time she says "fringe", "extremist", "conspiracy/conspiratorial" and propaganda. If you never see me again, just know that I lived a good life.

This woman thinks that idea that the US govt would covertly promote democracy or engage in regime change is fringe. Wow

[KurtNYC]

36. Implied here is that the MSM, who said for example that Saddam had WMD, is NOT propoganda.

Also implied is that audiences are either too dumb to sort through a variety of different propaganda for themselves, or that audiences should simply seek out one source of propaganda they agree with and regard that as truth while perceiving only the other channels as having an agenda to sell them.