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Obama opens East Coast to oil search
Source: The Associated Press
ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH, Fla. (AP) - The Obama administration has approved the use of sonic cannons to explore for oil and gas off the Eastern Shore.
The Bureau of Ocean Energy Management on Friday formally approved guidelines for using air cannons in the Atlantic Ocean from Florida to Delaware.
Energy companies could buy new oil and gas leases and begin drilling in 2018 if they find profitable reserves.
The guidelines are meant to protect endangered whales and other creatures from the loud noises and increased vessel traffic, but the government's environmental impact study estimates that more than 138,000 sea creatures could be harmed.
Read more: http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268748/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=5qTaYHfq
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Barack Obama on Offshore Oil Drilling in '08 as Presidential Candidate
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cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Shivering Jemmy
(900 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Why was it stupid to promise not to risk permanently wrecking the ecosystem and fisheries of the east coast in exchange for maybe getting 8 months worth of oil and 15 months of natural gas?
Because what strikes me as stupid is to waste a lot of time and money and oil in a fruitless effort to find oil.
Instead, put the time and money and effort and oil into solar, heat exchange pumps, windmills, geothermal. You'll still create a lot of jobs short term. Long term you'll cut the need for oil and natural gas.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)it was wrong of him to mislead us?
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)And he does it with so little effort. A real talent I'd love to learn how to master.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Exploration is one thing, but drilling can be prevented if a state demands it.
Compare, for example, how many thousands of wells are off Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi compared to Florida in this map:
IOW, allowing exploration does not equate to permitting drilling, not by a long shot.
Out here on the West Coast I attended a few hearings, one in San Francisco was led by Ken Salazar, and on the panel were Barbara Boxer, Lynn Woolsey, and Oregon governor Ted Kulongosky, and others, and the topic was "researching off-shore technologies for renewable energy development".
All of the California contingent was dead set against it, Kulongosky was a bit more open-minded.
Renewable energy, FFS, and people were against it.
I don't think that Obama is going to push offshore extraction, not by a long shot.
It's up to the states to do it or not do it. They could do it now if they wanted to.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)How does that work. If it's extracted out of our Ocean Floor off our Coasts ....HOW is that RENEWABLE?
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)The main point I wanted to make is that permitting exploration does not equate with actual drilling, which is the domain of the states.
I added some information about Salazar's Department of Energy holding public hearings about offshore renewables research and there was a lot of pushback against even that, thus indicating the resistance that individual states might have to ANY offshore projects.
I never meant to suggest what you seem to have inferred.
Any extracted resource, and fossil fuels in particular, are by definition not renewable.
In California, not even large hydropower plants can be included in the "renewable" portfolio.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)use of Renewable as to the Gulf States having so many Oil/Nat Gas Wells. And...that you say that Obama is NOT Sanctioning these "Sonic Boom Explorations" as a forerunner to the Exploration for 2018 in his latest address as reported in this article.
This will disturb ALL SEA LIFE who are guided by sonic sounds. That's an Environmental Disaster...that Obama has just Sanctioned....and you say he did this but leaves it up to the Southern States and Old Dixie Border States to decide?
Back attacha...... I'm just questioning where you are going here with your post. It seemed you were saying that Florida has no offshore and yet the Gulf States have (as your map shows) a thousand or hundreds. And, so the East Coast should go with the Gulf. And, you did say "Renewable" where there's nothing renewable about extracting our last Oil and Nat Gas Underground/Undersea Resources which we want to SELL OFF to other countries. It's not about going at me as "Attacking Obama" but, about why we elected him. And he Sanctioned this abomination for Sonic Booming our Ocean Creatures subjecting them to Stress and possible Devastation of those sea creatures in the way...while our states have to decide: If Obama is Sanctioning this Sonic Exploration and hoping for Drilling to begin as early as 2018, or so, then the States on the East Coast have to realize that PBO support it and so they need to "Get in Line."
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)My point was that our state is opposed to even renewable energy studies offshore, making the point that states have the power to stop it.
I'm surprised and pleased that California and Florida are opposed to offshore oil, but again the point I'm making is that this needs to be fought at the state level, and quick!
PS, I'm not happy about the allowance of sonic research, not one bit, nor hydrofracturing, nor exporting fossil fuels.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Obama came out and sanctioned it.......and you say NOW...LET THE STATES DECIDE? He shouldn't have gone against his Campaign Statement.
You say...he says...I approve IT...but, "hope the States" won't go for it?"
WHAT?
Anyway..... I think you are switching the argument...but, we might be on the same page in some respects.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)good by the last place I east sea food from.
I guess it is a good thing I am old and I will have to realize that wast I have doe on this planet does not matter - we are all doomed.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)supercats
(429 posts)Mr. President