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Pundits have already started pontificating upon potential Democratic candidates for the 2016 U.S. Presidential Campaign. While among the mainstream media bubble the consensus seems to be that Hillary Clinton will be the nominee. But David wonders why the destructive nature of Clintonian economics, war mongering, corporatism and social oppression hasn't demoted her standing as a candidate and basic decent human being in the eyes of the public.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)left office and we had a balanced budget after years of above average economic growth.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Yet some still say she can win? I don't get it.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)The 2016 wars around here will be monumental.
LoisB
(7,206 posts)TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)Well...ineb..INEVITABLE! Whatever.
My only hope is that, when it comes to economic and commerce policies, she'll govern differently from her 'centrist' husband. But I doubt it.
discocrisco01
(1,666 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)truth2power
(8,219 posts)And everyone will have to get on board.
Because she's a Dem, don'tcha know.
mtasselin
(666 posts)I thought I was the only one that felt that way about the Clinton's. He was not the president that we voted for pretty much like Obama, ran on being a liberal and all he is, is a wall street democrat more wall street than democrat.
ancianita
(36,058 posts)No voter will see "guilt by association" propaganda as anything but that. They'll see her family values, her work as first lady, senator and secretary of state before they'll buy all that "legacy" bullshit.
drynberg
(1,648 posts)Hillary person. Just yesterday I wrote on Hillary's FB page that I would not support her ever, as she voted for the Invasion of Iraq, to Bomb Syria is 2013, and is currently a supporter of the dreaded TPP. These reasons alone are enough for me to say NEXT.
groundloop
(11,519 posts)You wouldn't support Hillary in a general election? Not even if she were running against, say, Ted Cruz?
The thing about voting and elections that many people fail to think about is that you're NEVER going to be able to vote for a perfect candidate. You only have a very few choices on the ballot and you have to vote for the one that's going to serve you better than the others. Sure, I'd probably pick Elizabeth Warren over Hillary, but I'll take Hillary in a heartbeat over anyone the GOPers will put up there. And (in the hypothetical case that Hillary's the nominee) if I don't cast my ballot for Hillary in the general election that's just as good as voting for a GOPer.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)It is sexist to assume that Mr. Clinton's presidential history is also Ms. Clinton's?
Should she be tied to anything and everything Mr. Clinton did/does?
A friend and his wife are judges. Are her rulings his? Or does he have a mind of his own?
daybranch
(1,309 posts)she did not get where she is alone. I have never heard her express different views on any substantive matter from her husband.
Yes it is sexist to give her the benefit of Bill Clinton's history but that is what propelled her along. She is a very bright capable person but to deny her popularity among democrats is not biased by Bill's popularity is naive. She has benefited greatly by being Bill's wife and has never to my knowledge sought until recently to distance herself from his legacy. She is or is not a Clinton. We know it would be politically advantageous now to be a Warren but it just ain't so, no matter how hard Hillary proclaims her progressiveness.
malthaussen
(17,200 posts)People in this country still believe that if you fail economically, it is all your own fault. That's why we ignore things like NAFTA and the TPP.
-- Mal
ffr
(22,670 posts)Not one of those has a leg to stand on. I call call Troll!
Deficits Replace By Surpluses
Government Spending: Lowest in Over Three Decades
Taxes for Typical Families: Lowest in Over Two Decades
Jobs Are Up: Nearly 21 Million Created Since January 1993
Faster Economic Growth: 3.9 Percent Per Year
Private-Sector Growth Is Up: 4.4 Percent Per Year
Equipment and Software Investment Is Growing Faster Than Ever
Homeownership Is Up: The Highest in American History
Inflation is Down: The Lowest Core Rate In 35 Years
Welfare Rolls Dropped Dramatically: Lowest Since 1969
Unemployment Is Down: The Lowest Rate in 30 Years
Unemployment for African Americans the Lowest on Record
Unemployment for Hispanics Recovered From Record Highs to Achieve Record Lows
Real Wages Rising Again: Fastest Growth in Two Decades
Poverty For African-Americans Dropped to Lowest On Record
Poverty For Hispanics Dropped to Lowest Since 1979
Poverty For Single Mothers is the Lowest On Record
Family Income Up More Than $5,000 Since 1993 - Clintonian Accomplishments
As for war, which war mongering war would that be??? Bosnia, to end the ethnic cleansing? Going after OBL for killing diplomats and U.S. service men and women? WTF!
Social oppression? More like war on poverty if you ask me.
And as Clinton said it in his 2000 SOTU address, "My fellow Americans. The state of the union is the STRONGEST IT HAS EVER BEEN." NYT
TROLL!