Seymour Hersh Says Official Bin Laden Story Is "ONE BIG LIE! NOT A WORD ...

[geefloyd46]

[truedelphi]

1. Thank you GeeFloyd46

And thanks to you also, Mr Hersh.

[intaglio]

2. What for?

for a post that belongs on Creative Speculation?

Conspiracy theory nonsense.

[truth2power]

4. Do tell. And you know this how? I await your analysis

of what was said in that clip.

[intaglio]

8. Well, I could refute it

and I could refute the Area 51 holds a UFO nonsense, but why bother?

The concept of this is that a widely publicised and widely analysed event was all a plot by the USA, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Russia and the UN to fool everyone into thinking the USA was tough and nasty. However here are 2 brief refutations of a couple of concepts

Why no images of the death? Because such images become icons, think of Guevara's death mask or the painting of Marat's death.

Why burial at sea? Because the US did not want the grave to become a place of pilgrimage because there is a history of such events even in Islam; have you never heard of the Blue Mosque? Remember that the same procedure was followed with the remains of Hitler. Burial at sea fulfilled the Islamic precepts of early burial without the offense that autopsy or cremation would have caused.

[truth2power]

32. The two reasons you give are not refutations. They're merely speculation...

your best guess, which you are certainly entitled to.

Just because the government says it (if they said it) doesn't make it true. In fact, quite the opposite, since their credibility leaves a lot to be desired these days.

I think it would be a better idea to read, in detail, what Hersh has to say about the operation and then go from there.

[intaglio]

36. They are reasons why the images were not published

and why there was a burial at sea

But you will not listen because you want to hate the President and you are too blind to reality.

[truth2power]

41. Why do you do this?...

Post such churlish comments, I mean. I "want to hate the President"?

You don't know me. You have no idea what I want.

You know, I was once banned from the BOG because I had gotten on there by mistake and posted some strong criticism about the President. I have NEVER posted in that group, before or since. I apologized to the host, telling her that I had ended up there from the Latest Threads section of DU and hadn't payed sufficient attention to the group I was posting in, and asked that she please post my apology in the thread.

Not going to the BOG is my way of respecting that some folks have a vastly different opinion of the President than I, and that they want to be left alone to discuss in like company.

I find much to criticize about Pres. Obama but you don't need to ascribe nefarious motives where none are intended.

[intaglio]

42. Because that is exactly what your posts amount to

your acceptance of wild conspiracy theory seems to be driven by no more than a desire to destroy your President's authority.

[Rebellious Republican]

37. Some how I can not wrap my head around some one like OBL having a burial on board a US Navy Ship.

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq85-1.htm

http://themoderatevoice.com/110951/in-the-u-s-navy-burials-at-sea-are-solemn-and-dignified-yet-routine/

I did find some video of OBL being buried at sea, it was the only videos I could though.

Navy Tribute, Hell Yeah......

[rtracey]

12. Bin Laden

Actually do we really care how he died, as long as he is fish food....I'm sure family members of all he "killed" as leader really doesn't give a shit how he died as long as he did....

[truedelphi]

29. One thing I know -

Some three quarters of the people in Pacific Rim and Asian nations don't believe the Bin Laden story.

Why is that? Why is someone as intelligent as Benazir Bhutto, former Prime Minster of Pakistan, she told David Frost in an interview (still available on the YouTube channel) that Bin Laden was believed to be dead for years. And Frost never raised an eyebrow at her revelation. So obviously, for thinking people, there is some need to fully explain a lot of what went on.

Of course here in America, as long as there is a Hollywood movie (possibly CIA funded, because at this time in history it is difficult to get funding for movies,) that movie will convert most movie goers into mass believers.

It is also interesting to me that Ms Bhutto was allowed to go without the needed security that she requested from this nation, even though she was a supposed friend of this nation. So some six weeks after the David Frost interview, she was killed in a terrorist bmbing.

[Cryptoad]

5. I have notice a common factor among

Obama Haters :

Speculation = Fact !

[beerandjesus]

16. Are you really attacking Seymour Hersh?

Just curious.

[Cryptoad]

17. Did i mention his Name? nt

[truth2power]

35. So, if anyone ever disagrees with Obama, it's because they hate him?...

This sounds like some adolescent developmental issue.

Tell an adolescent they can't do something or that they're wrong about something and they're likely to say, "You hate me." For them it's a normal developmental stage.

Why are you using it?

[Cryptoad]

40. Did I say anything about disagreeing with Obama?

Did I say anything about why anybody would hate Obama,,,,,,,,,,,No.!!!!!!!

Your assumptions are not my words

I wrote exactly what I meant to write ,,nothing more nothing less.

[geefloyd46]

6. Let's just say Mr. Hersh has more credibility than the us government...

One reported the the Mai Lai massacre and Abu Grab. The other told us about the weapons of mass destruction, Cpl Lynch fighting to her last bullet which we later learned gave her cookies in milk, the controversy around Pat Tillman. Unfortunately, the America media lacks credibility and we don't have another news service that is loud enough and truthful enough to just tell the truth. I think it is a very interesting story that to this point lacks details but I'd like to know.

[intaglio]

18. And Bob Woodward revealed the Watergate break-in

So what? Bob Woodward nowadays is quite a RW functionary.

David Icke was a fair sports journalist but that does not mean that I have to agree that the British Royal Family are (literally) reptiles.

any joutnalist is only as good as their last story - and this story is garbage no matter who wrote it.

[Plucketeer]

22. I'm not sure I'm qualified to discern

where truths and lies end, but there was ONE thing this gal uttered that tipped me against her - or at least, her credibility. She pronounced My Lai (as in the massacre) just as it looks (and it's not "Mai Lai" either) - it's pronounced ME lie. Sorta like Darrell Issa might talk after being dosed with sodium pentathol.
I would think that anyone who'd studied history would have learned how to speak it. It's ME LIE ....... what a republican would say in a confessional - if they spoke the truth there.

[RC]

14. So you are saying you're buying the government sponsored propaganda?

You'd rather memorize the official talking points, than think for your self?
What would it take for you to realize our government is lying to us? If Viet Nam didn't do it, if the 2000 elections didn't do it, if 9/11 didn't do it, if Saddam/Iraq was involved with 9/11 didn't do it, if bin Laden's escaped from Tora Bora didn't do it, if the ongoing NSA spy scandal didn't do it, If the excuses for the slow economic recovery didn't do it, what would?

[intaglio]

19. No, I believe the evidence supplied by the Pakistani outrage,

by the considerable coverage at the time which in no way contradicted the "official" account. I believe that if this had been faked all the Republican Senators who saw the evidence would have screamed "Fake!" during the election campaign.

This story was first proposed on sites like Free Republic as a way of damaging the President.

[RC]

20. Not everything revolves around the President.

The big money boys that own the media, are the same ones that have bought off our government. So of course the "official" account will fit what is in the news. All too often, the news in this country is different than the news elsewhere.

[intaglio]

24. Ah, so denegrating one of the President's signature achievements

is not meant to harm the President; it is only meant to harm "big money boys".

If course the fact that prior to this time the only counter arguments to this signature achievement came from the US RW nutosphere and not from al Jazeera or RT or Iran or Libya or China has no bearing on the truth of Mr Hersh's nonsensical claims.

[RC]

25. Our government has lied about everything else, but we are to believe this one on faith and say-so?

Why would this be the truth, when so much else we are told by the government is lies and spin?

[intaglio]

26. Where did I refer to a US government source?

Care to point it out?

Or is this a global conspiracy of the Illuminati or some such tosh?

[RC]

27. And just where else did the bin Laden raid information our government told us, come from?

[intaglio]

33. Oh FFS read my posts

The US was not the only source.

But you will not listen because you view your President as a traitor

[RC]

39. Like I have already said, not everything revolves around Obama.

He is not the center of most people's universe.

Besides that, you are putting words in my mouth that I never said, nor implied.

[delrem]

7. I agree. It's so much more reasonable to suppose that bin laden was killed

and his body disposed of out to sea with no trace of what the fuck happened.
Not even a photograph.
Because, in 2013, that's what people that we call "reasonable" are expected to expect.

[intaglio]

10. There are photographs

But, for the reasons outlined above, the USA will not publish them.

[rtracey]

13. I agree

and both Republican and Democrat congressional wads have reported seeing them..

[truth2power]

30. How do you know there are photographs? Because the government says so? ...

Have you seen them? Then how do you know they exist?

[intaglio]

34. You mean the Republican members of Congress

Are lying to save a President they detest.

You mean that the Pakistani Government is lying despite their loathing of this act.

Grow up.

[truth2power]

38. Republican members of congress would have all sorts of reasons to lie about

all sorts of things. Likewise the Pakistani Govt., who according to many reports, complains vociferously about our drone strikes but approves of them on the QT.

Oh, and thanks for the gratuitous snark. I suppose that's supposed to make me feel properly chastened.

[NealK]

3. Interesting. n/t

[BeyondGeography]

9. Never trust a man who dyes his eyebrows

[stonecutter357]

11. bull chit!

[Cheviteau]

15. Amazed

I am forever amazed and flummoxed that people who have never been in combat thinks it's supposed to be waged in a pristine manner. It's not. It's brutal and nasty and has an unforgettable stench of death. The truth? The truth is always the first casualty of war. Always has been. Drones? Humans have been killing people from the air for almost a hundred years. Civilians included. Dresden. Tokyo. Hiroshima. World Trade Centers. London. Now, all of a sudden, we wrap ourselves in the cloth of morality and clutch our pearls at the news of another drone strike. We've always killed one another. We're humans, don't forget. There will be no peace. Get over it. Aha ! you say, You're a fatalist! More like a realist, I believe.

[mopinko]

21. pravda teevee

what a load of....

[Sand Wind]

23. So now its casual to present CT from FSB-TV in DU ? disgusting.

[BillyRibs]

28. Questioning anything in this

Climate, Especially about the 911, and the Bin Laden narrative will Get you "The tin foil Hat award"! I'll take it thank you. I'll wear it proudly, Why you may ask? Because I'd rather be a questioning fool than a compliant one! Their have been too many times in my life I wish I'd been wrong. This whole 911/Bin Laden/endless war/security state, "feels that way".

As this Opinion and others like it turns many on this site into raging *big rockey type people,* their is
No need to comment on my opinion, as we all KNOW about opinions. Just Like Mine, Yours stink too.





*Read Terry Pratchett's Thud! to get the reference.*


Humpty Dumpty was pushed.

[truth2power]

31. what you said. n/t