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90-percent

(6,829 posts)
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 10:59 AM Aug 2013

Frank Zappa has a song about that

Here's a game I play as a forty-plus year Zappa fan. A lot of Zappa's songs chronicled events in the manner of a folk song, or journalism set to music. It allows me to share my love of Zappa with my internet communities, of which DU is probably the main one. But, I'm learning Facebook, so watch out.

Here's a Zappa song about the sociopaths that have captured all our institutions and Democracy itself in the name of greed.



It might be a little difficult to appreciate the connection, as there is only the song title to give this meaning, it's an instrumental.

And I leave with this Zappa quote;


YOU CAN’T BE BUSTED YET FOR AWARENESS. Maintain your aristocratic coolness –

Sincerely,
Frank Zappa, for the Mothers of Invention


Thanks for playing

-90% Jimmy
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Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
1. Zappa called himself a 'practical conservative' and was all about 'limited government and personal
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 11:37 AM
Aug 2013

responsibility' which is why he backed Ross Preot for President. His general contempt for other humans perhaps offers context for his atavistic and ignorant songs/rants about gay people such as 'He's So Gay' and 'Bobby Brown'.
Here's Frank painting all gay people as being into piss games and violence. Note the right wing paranoia, 'everyone's gay, they are in charge, they want to convert us all' and also note the ugly jab at Culture Club, one of the first mainstream acts to be 'out' while recording. How dare they make music like 'real humans':

Of course, his evening's not complete
Without some meat in the seat;
Let's skate away
Down santa monica today

Maybe he wants a little spanking
Maybe he'll eat a little chain
Maybe his lover should be thanking him
For the way he makes it sprinkle
Into drops of golden rain

He's so gay
He's so gay
He rules the city in a way
You could say
You could say
It's sorta different today
All the taffeta and chintz
And every leather boy's a prince
Hey hey hey!
Please don't look the other way

You could be just like him
Tomorrow!
Maybe you'll get a chance
To borrow
(borrow)
His bouquet
And maybe later...maybe later
We'll all be
Gay-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y!
Do you really wanna hurt me?


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tempelton

(37 posts)
3. You need to do more research...
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 01:09 PM
Aug 2013

You need to pay closer attention to Zappa's nuanced political positions. He was vociferously opposed to the Republican Party, and in fact in various interviews mentioned that not only was he a registered Democrat but he was also an admirer of Mario Cuomo in particular. See here (for just one of many sources): http://www.afka.net/articles/1988-04_Register-Pajaronian.htm

While he did espouse a 'practical conservatism' it is true, he considered the Republican Party to be home to religious fanatics and / or warmongering thugs (which is why he spoke out so forthrightly against Bush Snr's Gulf War - see, for example, the transcript of his interview with Nicky Campbell on BBC Radio). Speaking about the Clinton / Gore ticket in 1992 he said: "I’ve been a registered Democrat my whole life, but I just can’t endorse this ticket". He also was a supporter of welfare, which was one of the reasons why he rejected the notion of supporting the Libertarian Party (as, while he was undoubtedly anti-union - see final article linked to below for context - he certainly believed in helping people and considered the LP to be an anarchist type party).

However, having said all that, it's important to realize that, while Zappa was in fact a nuanced and not unconditional supporter of the Democratic Party, he was also full of many contradicting positions (these are best teased out in Ben Watson's truly wonderful, 'The Negative Dialectics of Poodle Play', if you are interested in the issue further). Trying to impose a particular ideology upon Zappa is ultimately a waste of breath - since the iconoclastic DNA of the man was to eschew all parties and positions in approximately equal measure (at least publicly so). He was a mass of contradictions, but still had much that was useful to say.

For example:





Regarding his admittedly seemingly offensive / anti-gay remarks, here is specifically what he said about this issue in an interview with Playboy:

Playboy: Because of songs such as Dinah Moe Humm ("I got a forty-dollar bill say you can't make me come&quot , He's So Gay and many others, you have been accused of being sexist, misogynistic and homophobic.

Frank Zappa: Some people miss the joke. In general, I was a convenient enemy and they could get exposure for their causes by coming after me. But I'm not antigay. When Ross Perot announced he was running for president, I wanted him to choose Barney Frank as a vice-presidential candidate. He is one of the most impressive guys in Congress. He is a great model for young gay men.

Playboy: But you were criticized for Bobby Brown Goes Down and He's So Gay.

Frank Zappa: But see, I'm a journalist of a sort. I have a right to say what I want to say about any topic. If you don't have a sense of humor, then tough titties.

Again, if you want to understand Zappa, you have to accept the contradictions and then ask what they represent. He was a person of very extreme (and, in my view, admirable) personal libertarian - i.e. not political libertarian - principles. It meant that, he truly didn't see harm being contained in words, but rather in ideas and concepts. So, that's why he wrote songs that also contained the word 'nigger', which in itself might cause a lot of offence to many. But to claim then that he is a racist because such words are contained within a song is to miss the context in which they are offered. To be specific, he was a satirist - and so, what was he satirizing in He's So Gay? Well, it seems pretty likely to me - based on the fact that he spent his life satirizing all parties everywhere, and all groups everywhere in equal measure - that He's So Gay was a satire on what he perceived to be the 'trend' (I don't agree with him) in the 80's of dressing up Boy George style as a trend. I think it's a ridiculous and unimportant observation, but nevertheless as a life-long watcher of Zappa, it fits into the character and obsessions of the man more accurately than any analysis you have offered.

A better and deeper understanding of Zappa's contradictions may hail, in part, from the following article: http://pubs.socialistreviewindex.org.uk/sr171/watson.htm

The choice to delve deeper or not is entirely up to you.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
5. I met Zappa in the mid-'80s for about 30-40 minutes
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 08:57 PM
Aug 2013

and I remember he was specifically hoping that the Democrats had done well against the GOP in the mid-term elections.

But, as a fan, I know he was profoundly complex in his musical/artistic/political expressions.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
2. One of my favorite songs. It is heartbreakingly beautiful to me.
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 12:19 PM
Aug 2013

Zappa's guitar at its finest.

I am a fan of about 35 years.

I would like to join your little club.

Please send me a message, maybe we can meet on FB.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
4. I should catch up to the full spectrum of what you brought by sharing this solo...
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 08:40 PM
Aug 2013

While at the YouTube link, the top video to my right was one for recipes with Helman's mayonnaise... seems appropriate!

I loved Zappa when I was 14 years old. I am not entirely sure what was happening to me at the time, as it was somewhere between 1967-8. Something spoke to the phony nature of the other girls I was hanging around in the neighborhood. From that point on, I guess I traveled a slightly different path.

Fast forward hearing my son's CD ... Dynamo Hum!

Response to Bonobo (Reply #2)

90-percent

(6,829 posts)
7. Templeton's post #3
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 11:17 AM
Aug 2013

Very impressive array of Zappa info and research there! I've never been able to read Ben watson's book. Too academic.

The song above is "Treacherous Cretins" and I use the phrase on DU all the time as it capsulizes our current collection of Republicans magnificently.

Another Zappa phrase I use a lot is "socially retarded". Comes in handy to describe homophobes or what I was like in High School.

in another post of mine promoting something Zappa, another poster described him as racist. I took great delight in posting pics of Frank's 1957 High School Band "The Blackouts", which was about half black and half white. Frank did not seem to prejudge. Every new person started out on an equal basis with him and then I guess he formulated his opinion once he got more familiar.

Thanks to all respondees.

-jim

PS - I liked Culture Club in their time and found their songs magnificent. George's vocals on Kharma-Chameleon was awesome. Although Ray Collins vocals on "Anything" from Ruben and the Jets is the standard by which all vocals should be measured.

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