Why Obama and Bush Should be Arrested With Snowden

[votesparks]

[classof56]

1. And a Happy Fourth of July to you!

[votesparks]

2. You mean

Happy July 1984th?

[nineteen50]

4. No happy 4th of you lie

[RufusTFirefly]

3. Excerpts from the New York Times article discussed:

The Fourth Amendment obliges the government to demonstrate probable cause before conducting invasive surveillance. There is simply no precedent under the Constitution for the government’s seizing such vast amounts of revealing data on innocent Americans’ communications.

The government has made a mockery of that protection by relying on select Supreme Court cases, decided before the era of the public Internet and cellphones, to argue that citizens have no expectation of privacy in either phone metadata or in e-mails or other private electronic messages that it stores with third parties.

...

We may never know all the details of the mass surveillance programs, but we know this: The administration has justified them through abuse of language, intentional evasion of statutory protections, secret, unreviewable investigative procedures and constitutional arguments that make a mockery of the government’s professed concern with protecting Americans’ privacy. It’s time to call the N.S.A.’s mass surveillance programs what they are: criminal.

"The Criminal N.S.A." a New York Times op-ed, written by a couple of obvious hacks from obscure law schools. Jennifer Stisa Granick is the director of civil liberties at the Stanford Center for Internet and Society. Christopher Jon Sprigman is a professor at the University of Virginia School of Law.

[DhhD]

5. Does the 14th Amendment provide due process BEFORE a Passport can be removed from

an American citizen? Is the Constitution a worthless piece of paper to secret societies?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/12/14/171901/-Bush-on-the-Constitution-It-s-just-a-goddamned-piece-of-paper

[Waiting For Everyman]

6. K&R

[bonniebgood]

7. Obama a "constitutional Lawyer"? yea so is Bush. It hit me after all

the NSA and Snowden information came out to the REAL REASON why congress, our Gov
is trying to kill/abolish the Post Office. The Post Office is the last shred of Privacy we have. It is
still a felony to 'tamper with the US Mail'. If the post office becomes private and run by
a corporation then there won't be a law called "tampering with the US Mail".

So, if you want to say something private to your Grandma you had better lick a .45 stamp
and envelope and send it by the US Mail.
Say Hello to snail mail.

[mikeypooh]

9. Oh, don't worry

They're collecting the metadata of all snail mail too.



http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/04/us/monitoring-of-snail-mail.html?_r=3&

http://cryptome.org/isp-spy/usps-spy.pdf

[bonniebgood]

14. Mikeypooh thanks for the links very interesting. I really was refering to the

contents of the letter. To and from "cover of envelope" are not meant or expected to be "private". Envelope addresses, mainly by zip codes, are scanned by machines in order to reach it's destination. Zip codes carry all the information, State, City, to Carrier route. The contents however, is another story. Its still illegal on its face for any agency to 'open and scan' your contents into a data base anywhere the same way your voice and email is openly recorded.

[02potato]

8. We need to get on the ball people ..

helpful links....

http://www.restorethefourth.net/protests/


http://www.restorethefourth.net/resources/

I'm off my butt "howboutu"

[votesparks]

10. Will be at the action

in Dayton.

[SamKnause]

11. Spying

Snowden deserves an award.

Bush and Obama deserve jail.

[baldguy]

12. So, every American President back to the beginning of time should be arrested then?

[Amonester]

13. Yep. As unreal as it looks like.

I'm afraid we'll all end up stuck with a pRe$ident oRangeman and vice-pRe$ident can'toR in about two years from now.

Or maybe they will be busted too?

[RufusTFirefly]

16. Why that's precisely what it says. Congratulations for being so astute!!

You've used No. 1 from the Official Distractivist Playbook and may qualify for membership in the Logical Fallacy Hall of Fame. (Void where prohibited.) Come on down and accept your bright and shiny Distractivist medal!!

The Official Distractivist Talking Points*

1. This is nothing new
2. I have nothing to hide
3. What are you, a freeper?
4. But Obama is better than Christie/Romney/Bush/Hitler
5. Greenwald/Flaherty/Gillum/Apuzzo/Braun is a hack
6. We have red light cameras, so this is no big deal
7. Corporations have my data anyway
8. At least Obama is trying
9. This is just the media trying to take Obama down
10. It's a misunderstanding/you are confused
11. You're a racist
12. Nobody cares about this anyway / "unfounded fears"
13. I don't like Snowden, therefore we must disregard all of this
14. Other countries do it

* A tip of the hat to PSPS, from whom I got the original list.

[Amonester]

19. 15. You want Obama/Biden to be impeached and replaced by

1. oRangeman/can'toR

2. oRangeman/tuRtleman

3. ?

[RufusTFirefly]

20. Thank heaven the rule of law applies only to people we don't like!

What a country!

[Amonester]

21. pff

Good luck to our progressive goals if any of these cReepy tearorists enter the WH by the back door, since I can't tank something I don't believe in.

[burnodo]

15. Racist Paulbot!

No doubt

[votesparks]

17. Voted twice for Obama

and have been an elected union leader working for progressive causes. Hardly (while acknowledging your sarcasm).

[Jack Rabbit]

22. Perhaps we should raise the question . . .

. . . if opposing Obama over NSA spying is racism, is going after Glen Greenwald over exposing it homophobia?

No, we'll just let the Rahm Emanuel Marching Bank look silly without stooping to their level.

[onlyadream]

18. Small world

I knew Professor Christopher Sprigman in HS (and junior HS), he actually went to the prom with Soledad O'Brian, both in my class of '84, lol.

To drop another name, in 7th grade, Chris starred in My Fair Lady, where he played Professor Higgins, where he played opposite the now well known author, Jodi Picoult, who was Eliza. Both did a tremendous job, I might add.

Some well known people came out of my grade