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Related: About this forumDoes Rep. Jerold Nadler reveal "NSA DOES listen to your calls"? Exchange with Muller:
Since we've had many characterizations of this exchange, perhaps viewing the actual video is in order.
Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)...so, any news on "clarification"? Mueller's answer is consistent with everything I've read about so far. Don't know what Nadler is referring to, so I guess I'll just have to wait.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)and completely differently behind closed doors. And he goes to some pains to assure us he isn't confusing the issues.
He ends with tasking Muller to find out which is correct: the public version or the private version.
Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)So, any news after this, or are we all just hanging?
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)saying that Muller's off hand "not classified" isn't good enough to break secrecy rules.
Wouldn't doubt that the President has called, too.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Alternatively, the people who briefed Congress in private are telling a different story from Mueller's because Mueller does not work at a low enough level to really know how the program operates in practice. Mueller may have misconceptions about the program and how it functions. The people who briefed Congress may know the truth and it may be worse than Mueller thinks.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
glowing
(12,233 posts)Anyone who didn't think this was happening, must have been born yesterday. We have a police-state like alphabet soup and a ton of private contractors eating at the edges of the soup. Lot's of money and looking the other way. They are only dealing with this now because it became public and very splashy in the Guardian (which is not a USA news agency). They have been doing this spy game since the beginning of time.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
glowing
(12,233 posts)one would be crazy to think less...
They created the 4th Ammendment and have worked around the edges of that right so much that it practically non-existent.
On the other hand, everyone has their hands in the cookie jar.. Private companies, govt, foreign countries etc. There was a reason OWS had no "leaders" and did everything in the "open". Because they knew and know that there would be instigators, police agencies, infiltrators, and monitoring (all of which occurred) and they were shut down in a similar manner across the nation by Homeland Security tactics.
Also, the younger generation, doesn't really hide a damned thing. They post just about anything and everything anyway, have their movements catalogued and advertised to constantly.... I'm not lying when I say I mention something on a phone call, and all of a sudden I have an e-mail in my in box advertising to something very similar. I'd say the way around the mega-corp/ govt has been the use of the systems against them. Before the camera phone or a digital camera that saved every picture to a network in case the police confiscated their camera, all of the police brutality and clamp down on citizens was hear say. We've come a long way since the Rodney King beating grainy video popped up.
Again, I don't think its right, but the system is not going to shut itself down. It mainly operates on computer controlled commands shifting thru multiple sources of data to pin point items of interest of security risks. Can if be used against someone who is specifically targeted for some reason, of course. Should it, no. But I have no delusions that these hearings or what not will do a damned thing about the programs that have been set up and still operating as we speak.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)and LEGAL. Thank the gods we didn't just yawn and say 'well that's been happening for a long time so what'?
Why does it matter how long it's been happening, isn't that ALL THE MORE reason to STOP IT. It has never been on this scale and unless it's stopped, as always happens with things that have been 'going on for a long time', it will only get worse.
It's an open sore on our democracy and it's been allowed to fester. The sooner it gets treated the better or else it will be too late.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)"an open sore on democracy"
Washington, D.C. should rename their baseball team, "The Hypocrites."
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)for a long time. I am glad people are pissed off enough to complain. They should be pissed off, and they should complain. If you accept that all this is out of your control, and any effort to push back is futile, then don't push back yourself.
I am glad there are people out there who don't feel that way.
NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)Though its far worse now, they suck up everything and store it.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)although I didn't know until I checked after watching the video.(He's even in my state.)
I didn't know because of the question he was asking, but just that the guy seemed so intelligent. And seems to have a certain self-aware. Pretty subjective, I guess.