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zeemike

(18,998 posts)
1. Can you imagine the energy it would take to launch that all into space?
Mon May 27, 2013, 04:09 PM
May 2013

That would require resources we don't have yet...but nice to dream of.

Quixote1818

(28,960 posts)
3. Something like this is probably more feasible
Mon May 27, 2013, 04:20 PM
May 2013

But still would take a hell of a lot of energy to build. Maybe they could create a space elevator? Concept art from Matt Damon's movie Elysium.


http://io9.com/5925315/elysium-concept-art-shows-off-matt-damons-perfect-future-world-in-space

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
7. I have heard of that proposed to build an elevator.
Mon May 27, 2013, 05:14 PM
May 2013

but it would still take lots of energy to construct it.
The most logical way to me is to build it from the moon...because you can launch something into orbit around the moon with electric motors due to the low gravity...and the sun could provide the power.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
13. You can't launch resources to build that. You have to develop space mining & manufacturing.
Mon May 27, 2013, 11:53 PM
May 2013

In order to Go Big in space, we need a few things.

1. We need cheaper transportation to space. SpaceX's work with the Falcon 9 & Dragon are promising in this regard.

2. We need to develop what NASA calls ISRD - In-Situ Resource Development. Or in plain English, space-mining & manufacturing, as well as things like building and maintaining a network of fuel & supply depots in space. You can't bring the materials to build an O'Neill colony from Earth. The way you build something so big is to mine an asteroid, get enough metal & other resources to build up there, and send up enough manufacturing equipment to make more manufacturing equipment, until you have enough to build your space colony. Once we've managed to get problem #1 managed, getting the equipment, manpower & science/engineering know-how to do things like mining the Moon and asteroids is achievable. Technologies like 3-D printing are promising in terms of making it possible to custom-build stuff in space. We still have to engineer spacecraft that can go capture asteroids, that can extract metal from them, as well as fuel, water, oxygen, etc., make things like sheet metal, or fiberglass, or other raw building materials that can be made into parts.

3. We need a better handle on human survivability and thriving issues. Keeping people in space for less than a year is within our present capabilities - you need air, water, food, a place to pee and poop, temperature control, and you're good. But then the bones start losing mass, muscles atrophy, cells start getting their DNA damaged by cosmic rays. You do not want to have children in space until you have a space habitat that's big enough to spin for pseudogravity, and has far more radiation shielding than the ISS.

4. Economic reason compelling enough to get the folks with the big bank accounts to start writing checks. There are a few reasons to go into space today - scientific research, communications & weather satellites, political flags-and-footprints missions when the stars are aligned for that sort of thing. But while that gets us into space, that doesn't get us to Go Big into space. The Planetary Resources business plan is promising - they want to mine asteroids for platinum group metals, which are extremely rare on Earth, and there's enough potential money from that business to kick us a few steps closer - for funding things like in-situ resource development. The space tourism thing also promises to kick us a few baby steps closer - it's got enough rich people to write checks that are funding the development of new spacecraft, which may bring down launch costs.

Of course, all this takes a huge amount of money. I think that once we've figured out problem #2, we absolutely have the means to build bigger and bigger, eventually doing things like O'Neill habitats. Assuming, of course, there's a reason to get someone to pay for it.

longship

(40,416 posts)
2. Arthur C. Clark!!!
Mon May 27, 2013, 04:17 PM
May 2013
Rendevous with Rama, one of three books by Clark. I liked them a lot, but don't like the where he takes the series in the end.

Still, an enjoyable read. I am sure Hollywood will ruin it like they do many classics in the name of making it better. The more action the better. Right?

Read the books.
 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
5. What would protect it from meteors and space junk from hitting it?
Mon May 27, 2013, 04:38 PM
May 2013

without an atmosphere to burn away most of the mass before it hit?

Quixote1818

(28,960 posts)
6. NASA uses Whipple Shields for the current space station
Mon May 27, 2013, 05:09 PM
May 2013


http://www.nasa.gov/externalflash/ISSRG/pdfs/mmod.pdf

However, this type of space station is so far into the future they would probably have powerful lasers that could blast space junk or small meteors or at least re-direct them onto a different course.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
8. Gerry O'Neill proposed building space habitats like this using lunar and asteroid materials
Mon May 27, 2013, 06:38 PM
May 2013

The Space Studies Institute has more information on Gerard K.O'Neill and his concepts for those who are interested. Most of his work was devoted to building solar power satellites from extraterrestrial resource; but, his original interest was in space colonies (space settlements, space habitats, space cities, whatever you prefer).

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
11. You're welcome and thanks in turn for the links to space habitat artwork!
Mon May 27, 2013, 08:26 PM
May 2013

By the way, I was a member of the old L-5 Society from the mid-70s until it was 'engulfed and devoured' by the International Space Institute to form the International Space Society.

hunter

(38,325 posts)
12. Or we could create daughter species of people adapted to space.
Mon May 27, 2013, 11:47 PM
May 2013

If a person was living on Mars, for example, it would be nice if they could walk around outside naked.

They might not look human at all, but maybe their minds would be similar enough to our own that we could relate our experiences to one another.

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