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Zephie

(1,363 posts)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:40 AM Apr 2013

Nestlé CEO Says Water Is Food That Should Be Privatized – Not A Human Right

Do you believe water is a basic human right? According to Nestlé CEO water is a foodstuff that should be privatized, not a human right. Nestlé CEO Peter Brabeck says that with the global population rising water is not a public right, but a resource that should be managed by businessmen.

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Nestlé CEO Says Water Is Food That Should Be Privatized – Not A Human Right (Original Post) Zephie Apr 2013 OP
Jesus freaking christ darkangel218 Apr 2013 #1
That was my first thought. Effing putrid scum. snagglepuss Apr 2013 #5
This is where we should draw the line. Water is a right. nm rhett o rick Apr 2013 #32
Nestle is an evil corporation, worse than most, if that's possible. CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2013 #2
You and me both! xxqqqzme Apr 2013 #22
another since the 70s bluemarkers Apr 2013 #71
I am going to join you as of this moment Samantha Apr 2013 #44
Thank you! CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2013 #99
We are slowly expanding the concept of "human rights" Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #3
Wrong question.... daleanime Apr 2013 #6
No, I asked the question I wanted to ask. Your question is different and easier. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #7
nestle wants to be the ONLY provider leaving no choice but them nt msongs Apr 2013 #88
Competitive water systems exist but are not efficient in the developing world. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #105
The difference being that, we collectively pay for our water... and our water has common ownership.. Veilex Apr 2013 #97
A lot of models are out there, including in the US. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #111
the worst case scenario should not be realized in any instance. EOM Veilex Apr 2013 #135
I have had my water shut off for being less than 30 days late. Cannikin Apr 2013 #140
That's pretty horrible. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #141
It was in 07 Cannikin Apr 2013 #143
I agree. That was unthinkable. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #144
Yes. City of Springdale, AR Cannikin Apr 2013 #148
Mine was shut off 2 weeks ago OriginalGeek Apr 2013 #157
No warning? No follow up notice? No phone call? Email? Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #158
I can't promise you that - there could have been notices OriginalGeek Apr 2013 #159
That's still pretty horrible. Quite literally, water is life. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #160
In Tn. where commoners are shit. dotymed Apr 2013 #154
Yes. caseymoz Apr 2013 #98
You live somewhere that gives you water for free? Where is that? Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #112
Have you walked into a restaurant? caseymoz Apr 2013 #128
That is not what he said. He said it needed to be paid for by everyone, he passed right over .... marble falls Apr 2013 #146
I disagree, Buzz. bvar22 Apr 2013 #17
K&R to this post! Never was the Democratic party so admirable a when pursuing policies Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2013 #90
Those ideas and principles of The New Deal, bvar22 Apr 2013 #117
Should water be free? brush Apr 2013 #18
You didn't answer my question. It was far simpler than you made it to be. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #24
Sufficient water for drinking and personal hygiene should be free starroute Apr 2013 #30
Thank you. That was a very rational answer. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #35
Of course I agree with starroute brush Apr 2013 #69
You have yet to answer a question. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #75
The questions . . . well, I don't think they should've even been asked? nt brush Apr 2013 #120
The Nestle guy agrees with you thesquanderer Apr 2013 #132
But the Nestle guy believes the other 98.5% should be his to make a profit starroute Apr 2013 #136
Water is not a product of human engineering or work; it's a gift from Earth. Who owns that? If not freshwest Apr 2013 #124
You're taking this is a bit different direction. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #126
I agree anyone who facilitates life through water should be paid to keep doing it, and well. But not freshwest Apr 2013 #127
Water should not be free for those who seek to profit from it. It is a dotymed Apr 2013 #155
Ok, I kind of agree. However -- Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #156
should land be free? cvoogt Apr 2013 #37
Should land be free ? airplaneman Apr 2013 #152
Sounds familiar cvoogt Apr 2013 #153
Should air be free? geomon666 Apr 2013 #67
water is not free KT2000 Apr 2013 #34
Excellent response in the first two paragraphs. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #39
Or just don't privatize it at all. /nt Marr Apr 2013 #40
If the government is incapable (and many are), then we deny the citizens' their right to water? Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #45
If a govt is 'incapable,' how is it going to regulate for-profit water companies? Doremus Apr 2013 #61
The first duty of just about every government is to set up a bureaucracy. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #83
When did I say I don't like capitalism? Marr Apr 2013 #122
My mistake on the capitalism comment. A bad assumption on my part. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #125
This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Apr 2013 #38
I think they should be single payer. ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #76
I'm not sure what that means in this context. Could you explain "single payer" in terms of water? Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #84
Paid for by taxes and available to all. nt ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #89
Ah. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #92
How about air? Should you have a "right" to breathe? Moostache Apr 2013 #79
Air? No one is cleaning air and sending it to your home to breathe. Not a good example. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #86
One of the benefits of civilization... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #107
If delivery is your only point then I retract... Moostache Apr 2013 #121
Bechtel screwed up massively in Bolivia. They were horrible to the people, and were treated as such. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #123
These natural resources are a part of "the commons." dotymed Apr 2013 #106
This what greed does liberal N proud Apr 2013 #4
Good God, are we certain this is real? enough Apr 2013 #8
Read up on the water wars of Bolivia. GreenPartyVoter Apr 2013 #36
Privatization has been going on in the US for decades. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #49
We've been fighting water-privatization in our neighborhood here in the US enough Apr 2013 #133
France Crow73 Apr 2013 #9
sort of... progressoid Apr 2013 #16
As a person cannot survive without water avebury Apr 2013 #10
I absolutely agree! gopiscrap Apr 2013 #64
What's next? Oxygen? KansDem Apr 2013 #11
Unfortunately, the air we breathe IS being managed by "businessmen", bvar22 Apr 2013 #19
Ziiing! That jolted me. JimDandy Apr 2013 #57
Exactly the type of sociopath that should not be in charge of Vinnie From Indy Apr 2013 #12
HERE COME THE WATER WARS leftyohiolib Apr 2013 #13
Water wars have been fought for a long, long time. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #47
They'd patent water, if they could. leveymg Apr 2013 #14
Have you bought any water in those cute plastic bottles... bvar22 Apr 2013 #20
I'll take mine in the raw, thank you. leveymg Apr 2013 #23
patent it shebornik Apr 2013 #21
Future water and food rationing, along with genetic birth control in grains foodstuffs, and robotics DhhD Apr 2013 #15
Someone needs to put these people out of their misery. loudsue Apr 2013 #25
Agreed - and it will start happening. firenewt Apr 2013 #100
Enjoy your Calistoga, Perrier, Poland Springs, Arrowhead, Pellegrino, and other botted waters. NYC_SKP Apr 2013 #26
More money for meeeeeeeeeee Iliyah Apr 2013 #27
Privatized LindaCollins11 Apr 2013 #28
Translation - We Own It - You Have To Pay For It cantbeserious Apr 2013 #29
Water is Already Being Managed in Most Developed Countries - But as a Public Resource dballance Apr 2013 #31
Then I can sue Nestlé for damages when their water comes through my roof. Downwinder Apr 2013 #33
As long as you can proof that it's THEIR water. DetlefK Apr 2013 #42
here goes any future purchases of his products DainBramaged Apr 2013 #41
Fick dich, Peter Alkene Apr 2013 #43
This OP is BS oberliner Apr 2013 #46
+1 Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #50
Even in the video... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #103
Nothing is Free BethanyQuartz Apr 2013 #48
The Nestle Empire is going to... TRoN33 Apr 2013 #51
Air is next. hobbit709 Apr 2013 #52
Let's not kid ourselves they are already doing this Smilo Apr 2013 #53
Edison tried to patent the carbon ring which falls to the base of a lightbulb Rain Mcloud Apr 2013 #54
Nestle has sued small Maine villages repeatedly magical thyme Apr 2013 #55
Arughhhh TRoN33 Apr 2013 #56
Fuck you, Nestle sakabatou Apr 2013 #58
Pure evil Carolina Apr 2013 #59
Land of the Free, Home of the Brave, Brimley Apr 2013 #60
What a fucking asshole gopiscrap Apr 2013 #62
Water is not a Human Right.... radhika Apr 2013 #63
Wasn't this assholes company the subject gopiscrap Apr 2013 #65
Well, Nestle is something that's going on my no-buy list. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2013 #66
Today water, tomorrow it will be air. olegramps Apr 2013 #68
Hell, I think food is a basic human right. AllyCat Apr 2013 #70
It is. Why do you think Mother Nature put all those plants, berry bushes and Cleita Apr 2013 #81
Corporations can go privative all the water they have made unfit for human consumption. n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #72
It should be managed, like everything else, but not by businessmen adieu Apr 2013 #73
People who think like this are enemies They_Live Apr 2013 #74
No thanks, I do not trust privately owned, for profit corporations AndyA Apr 2013 #77
Perhaps he should be required to prove his statement by going without water Cleita Apr 2013 #78
Corporate Persons BethanyQuartz Apr 2013 #80
Here is a web site dedicated to fighting Nestle's water policies GitRDun Apr 2013 #82
It's a human right and it's necessary to live. Apophis Apr 2013 #85
Is this really about denying someone water? I don't think so... Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #87
the corporate model is you don't pay, you don't get nt msongs Apr 2013 #91
Not necessarily. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #94
Wow. Apophis Apr 2013 #113
No, I know a helluva lot about this. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #116
This is the type of moronic thinking that happens when a person lets money dictate reason gtar100 Apr 2013 #93
i've reduced my purchases of Nestle products since first heard this crap. complete asshole samsingh Apr 2013 #95
kick samsingh Apr 2013 #137
Surprise, surprise... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #96
These types would charge you for breathing air. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #101
And who does he think should own it? caseymoz Apr 2013 #102
Himself and his 1% cronies of course. Any one else needs to pony up cash. n/t Cleita Apr 2013 #104
Right, and I think we're in real trouble. caseymoz Apr 2013 #108
The need for water for clean water is so basic, that even the Romans realized that Cleita Apr 2013 #110
It's so basic that the people who own it caseymoz Apr 2013 #129
No kidding. n/t Cleita Apr 2013 #131
This video is a perfect example of corporate/capitalist mentality. He lays it all out very clearly. gtar100 Apr 2013 #109
Expect Nestlé brand flavored Sugar Water zebonaut Apr 2013 #114
The Evil is strong in this one... BadGimp Apr 2013 #115
Where the guillotine when you need one? Bohemianwriter Apr 2013 #118
Hey 'freak'... El Shaman Apr 2013 #119
Typical greedy corporate asshole Blue Owl Apr 2013 #130
Anons should shut down all of Nestle's and Brabeck's computerized operations until he ancianita Apr 2013 #134
Does anyone know this clown's address?? OldRedneck Apr 2013 #138
Nestlé is an evil corporation that should be boycotted GETPLANING Apr 2013 #139
Nestlê are bastards VA_Jill Apr 2013 #142
Glad to see this posted again, but there was an earlier post here... drokhole Apr 2013 #145
Let's lynch this MF... xtraxritical Apr 2013 #147
Does he mean managed by a crook? Jake2413 Apr 2013 #149
Wow! What an evil, arrogant, fucking prick! Kennah Apr 2013 #150
I believe we need to start breaking up all large corporations. airplaneman Apr 2013 #151
Top Rated Youtube Comment On The Video is : Joel thakkar Apr 2013 #161
Nestle should have been broken up after their man made baby formulator disaster in Africa! pam4water Jun 2013 #162

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
5. That was my first thought. Effing putrid scum.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:50 AM
Apr 2013

Perhaps one ray of light is his stating his position so clearly.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,599 posts)
2. Nestle is an evil corporation, worse than most, if that's possible.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:42 AM
Apr 2013

I have boycotted them since the 60's.

Fuck them all.

K&R

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
22. You and me both!
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:16 AM
Apr 2013

I am so strict and vocal about it, my kids won't even buy it. It was their pesticide laced baby food (couldn't sell it in the US or Europe so they sold it in countries lacking regulations) that sealed it for me.

bluemarkers

(536 posts)
71. another since the 70s
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:02 PM
Apr 2013

when I found out that they were pushing powdered baby formula in developing nations were the only water available was contanimated

They are vile

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,599 posts)
99. Thank you!
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:42 PM
Apr 2013

I think if you Google Nestle, you can find out many of their horrible actions.

My boycott started when they were sending "nurses" into third-world hospitals. They were hawking their formula as superior to mother's milk. The women would buy it, and then discover how expensive it was, and hard to keep refrigerated. By the time the new moms realized they'd been had, their own milk had dried up, and the babies didn't thrive.

As a new, breast-feeding mom, I was incensed. And I have stayed that way.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
3. We are slowly expanding the concept of "human rights"
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:47 AM
Apr 2013

Food, health care, water. I'm not sure how long these have been considered rights, but certainly access to these are essential to survival, and denial of access will mean death. So, I get it.

But, in today's world, should all these be free? (I am NOT defending Nestle -- I am asking a philosophical question)

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
7. No, I asked the question I wanted to ask. Your question is different and easier.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:54 AM
Apr 2013

No one should be denied food, water, or health care. But, should they be free? Nestle is saying that they are willing to bring clean water to places that don't have it now, but they want to get paid.

In the US, we pay for all of it.

 

Veilex

(1,555 posts)
97. The difference being that, we collectively pay for our water... and our water has common ownership..
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:40 PM
Apr 2013

meaning everyone is a stakeholder in what happens with our water ways. Having a water way become privatized opens up the notion that a company can conceivably refuse to provide you with water at any time at a whim. That is simply not acceptable. So, while you did ask the question you wanted to ask, daleanime's response:"Should anyone be denied any of these?" was actually a valid answer as its also implied in your question. No one should be able to deny water access. We all pay for it, we all get it, and it should stay that way.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
111. A lot of models are out there, including in the US.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:11 PM
Apr 2013

My water is provided to me by a private company. Two miles away, the people are on city water -- all provided by tax dollars with fees paid based on consumption. Two miles the other direction the people get no water unless they provide it themselves. I have not heard of someone's water being shut off for lack of payment in this country. It may happen some places, but no place I've lived: phone, electricity, gas are all subject to being shut off, but not water.

Just because water is privatized does not mean the worst case scenario will be realized in every instance.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
141. That's pretty horrible.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:07 PM
Apr 2013

I guess that denying access to a basic human right can happen here, too.

I hope this wasn't recently.

Cannikin

(8,359 posts)
143. It was in 07
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:16 PM
Apr 2013

I had lost my job, started a new one, but was between paychecks. They removed a component from my meter. It was a ridiculous hassle for them and me. They tell me there is a lot of non-payment with the large immigrant population there, but that is no excuse to me. Water is as essential as air, regardless of income status.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
157. Mine was shut off 2 weeks ago
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:01 PM
Apr 2013

My wife forgot to pay the bill (thought she had but apparently didn't).


It happened as I was taking a shower to go to work. She called them and paid by credit card over the phone but it was several hours before it was turned back on.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
158. No warning? No follow up notice? No phone call? Email?
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:10 PM
Apr 2013

I don't think we have to look to privatization to look for this sort of callous, predatory behavior. This is truly awful.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
159. I can't promise you that - there could have been notices
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:56 PM
Apr 2013

I generally don't handle the bills or the mail. I just know when I walked into the bedroom she told me she thought she had paid that one. And it's not like it's a big bill - we average about 20 bucks a month - it just slipped her mind so it was probably at least a month overdue.


dotymed

(5,610 posts)
154. In Tn. where commoners are shit.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 07:18 AM
Apr 2013

Water is shut off and locked for non-payment. Fucking with their locks is a felony. Kids are not considered, just profits.

We need to socialize and start a Democracy.

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
98. Yes.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:42 PM
Apr 2013

In my view, they have always been considered a right in terms of it was expected that no matter what the system, everybody should be able to access them. People not being able to access them was seen as something wrong, either with the system or those individuals. It was a matter of developing a system that could do it, whether paid or not.

I believe if we have to pay for water, it will be a disaster. Then corporations have a very immediate power over people's lives.

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
128. Have you walked into a restaurant?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 06:19 PM
Apr 2013

Where I live, they put water on your table, gratis, when you request it. Frequently, they even have it on your table whether you order it or not.

I know the costs are hidden in the check, but the point is, it's low cost enough to where they don't have to worry about your check covering it.

Where I live in St. Louis City, BTW, water isn't metered. It's a flat rate. It helps to have the Mississippi right there, though I can't say how much longer that will last.

I know it costs something to process and purify, but it ought to be provided not-for-profit.

I actually begin to think that if for-profit companies are put in charge of water, that's probably the end of capitalism. Either because that will be the last straw for people, or because then we're officially feudal, or something far worse. There will be no more wealth to extract from the non-wealthy, and almost all jobs will be automated so the upper class won't need our labor either. That will be when they'll feed us Soilant Green.

marble falls

(57,080 posts)
146. That is not what he said. He said it needed to be paid for by everyone, he passed right over ....
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:27 PM
Apr 2013

any explanation of how poor folks were to get water. He said his major interest is the profitability of his "enterprise". Let alone the fact that the vast majority of folks pay for their water one way or another. Walking miles daily for drinking water is a payment as well as is a water bill. This guy is evil and looks it.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
17. I disagree, Buzz.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:13 AM
Apr 2013

We are NOT slowly expanding the concept of the basic necessities as "Human Rights", unless you are speaking from Venezuela or one of the new Democracies in Latin America.
Here is the USA and in the Western "Austerity" World, we are moving in the other direction where access to Health Care, Education, Knowledge, Shelter, Jobs, and other essentials are rapidly being Privatized and tightly controlled by For Profit Corporations

Our nation has reversed the direction we started during the presidency of FDR.

"In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be [font size=3]established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.[/font]

Among these are:

*The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

*The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

*The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

*The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

*The right of every family to a decent home;

*The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

*The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

*The right to a good education.

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being."--- FDR, SOTU, 1944


Now, WHEN is the last time you heard an American leader of either dominant Political Party make a statement like THAT?

Please note the FDR specified the above as Essential Human Rights to be protected and administered by our Government of the People,
and NOT as Commodities to be sold to Americans by For Profit Corporations.

At one time, not so long ago, voting FOR The Democrat
WAS voting for the above principles.
Sadly, that is no longer true.


---bvar22
a mainstream FDR Democrat

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
90. K&R to this post! Never was the Democratic party so admirable a when pursuing policies
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:31 PM
Apr 2013

based on those ideas.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
117. Those ideas and principles of The New Deal,
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 03:16 PM
Apr 2013

expanded and improved by Harry Truman in his Square Deal,
pushed even further with LBJ's Great Society and Civil Rights,
mixed with the blood and sweat of our fathers and grandfathers in their bloody fight for Organized LABOR,

[font size=3] built the wealthiest, strongest, largest, and most upwardly mobile Working Class the World had ever seen.[/font]

What a shame that the Democratic Party leadership threw it all away in the early 90s
in order the chase Ronald Reagan and the Republicans ever further to the Conservative Right,
with the predictable and inevitable results we see today.
.
.
.
.
But HEY!
The RICH are doing better than they EVER have,
so we should just STFU and be happy for America's New Gilded Age!



brush

(53,771 posts)
18. Should water be free?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:14 AM
Apr 2013

Are you smoking something? Why do you need to even go along with the Nestle guy and ask that? What are the "businessmen" going to do if they get control of the most basic God given natural resource, charge wild animals to drink also? Get real and stop with the "philisophical question" crapola.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
24. You didn't answer my question. It was far simpler than you made it to be.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:20 AM
Apr 2013

Should water be free for everyone? I'll address your other points if you just answer the simple question.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
30. Sufficient water for drinking and personal hygiene should be free
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:43 AM
Apr 2013

If you want to talk about charging large corporations or people who want to grow lawns in the middle of the desert, that might be another story. But in any case, nobody should be allowed to profit by establishing a water monopoly.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
35. Thank you. That was a very rational answer.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:00 PM
Apr 2013

If "brush" returns, we'll see if he/she agrees with you.

brush

(53,771 posts)
69. Of course I agree with starroute
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:59 PM
Apr 2013

But why would you even go there to ask the question? Starroute's answer never occured to you? Why not ask also should air be free?

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
75. You have yet to answer a question.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:11 PM
Apr 2013

You don't have to, but that will be the basis of a continued conversation with me.

brush

(53,771 posts)
120. The questions . . . well, I don't think they should've even been asked? nt
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 04:23 PM
Apr 2013

Last edited Sat Apr 20, 2013, 05:39 PM - Edit history (1)

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
132. The Nestle guy agrees with you
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 06:38 PM
Apr 2013

from http://www.water-challenge.com/post/2013/04/18/Water-you-need-for-survival-is-a-human-right-some-clarity.aspx#.UXMXpEKCV0Q

From time to time on the internet a video clip from a TV programme made in 2005 about food is posted in which I am talking about whether water is a human right. It seems it has surfaced again, and people are using it to misrepresent my views on this important issue.

Let me be very clear about this again here on the blog, because I think the video clip, which took my views out of context, isn’t clear about the point I was trying to make. The water you need for survival is a human right, and must be made available to everyone, wherever they are, even if they cannot afford to pay for it.

However I do also believe that water has a value. People using the water piped into their home to irrigate their lawn, or wash their car, should bear the cost of the infrastructure needed to supply it.


Also at http://www.guardian.co.uk/sustainable-business/nestle-peter-brabeck-attitude-water-change-stewardship

"I am the first one to say water is a human right. This human right is the five litres of water we need for our daily hydration and the 25 litres we need for minimum hygiene.

"This amount of water is the primary responsibility of every government to make available to every citizen of this world, but this amount of water accounts for 1.5% of the total water which is for all human usage.

"Where I have an issue is that the 98.5% of the water we are using, which is for everything else"

starroute

(12,977 posts)
136. But the Nestle guy believes the other 98.5% should be his to make a profit
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 08:40 PM
Apr 2013

You know that when he talks about fees for car-washing or lawn-watering going to support the infrastructure, he isn't thinking about a modest charge for government to maintain the pipes and pumps. He's looking for ways to extract a profit for his shareholders.

And you also know that if the Nestles of the world get their hands on it, they won't be into conservation. They'll push its overuse as much as the energy utilities push the overuse of electricity.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
124. Water is not a product of human engineering or work; it's a gift from Earth. Who owns that? If not
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 06:03 PM
Apr 2013
all of us equally is the rule, then class warfare is basic to Earth. And we might as well go for the law of the jungle and forget being progressive.

Nestle is stating the libertarian view, that you should be able to pay for all you get, or you're mooching. That doesn't take into account the evil acts of others, it gives plunderers and sociopaths an unfair advantage over those who do work to produce things.

The Earth does call us moochers anymore than a mother calls her child mooching for breastmilk. It's part of fostering life. Not a commodity, else we're nothing more than commodities.

Who owns us all in that case?

Thus libertarian philosophy is illogical, stunted and unable to see that following it leads to the abuse of all but the sociopaths. People and nature create wealth which cannot be quantified in commerce, only stolen, and not sustainable.

To leave such wealth in the hands of the paradigm Nestle is pushing is unjust and eventually destructive.


 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
126. You're taking this is a bit different direction.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 06:07 PM
Apr 2013

It's not the water per se, but the delivery system and the assurance of clean drinking water. It would be ridiculous for the government or a corporation to state, "Buy from us or go to jail." I am not arguing for that at all.

However, there are perils in providing one's own drinking water. Wells are sometimes tainted, and finding a reliable supplier is often a wise choice.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
127. I agree anyone who facilitates life through water should be paid to keep doing it, and well. But not
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 06:15 PM
Apr 2013

that it's not a right as Nestle says. Because Bethel and others have through influence stolen the means of life from people in many lands. We have to decide how to restructure society to allot resources other than what is being done in so many places. Those with money waste pure water and pollute the water of others; this is at the heart of social injustice and many other evils. America or mankind will either toss morality or equality to the side, and let the wealthy continue their insanity, or not. At times I can see their point; the masses seem heedless of the damage they do to the ecosystem. And yes, I am going afield of your comment but trying to also pry out the meaning of the OP - or rather the story behind it. And the solution.

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
155. Water should not be free for those who seek to profit from it. It is a
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 07:25 AM
Apr 2013

part of the commons. We all own it, oil too (although it has to be refined) FUCK CAPITALISM.PRAISE FDR.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
156. Ok, I kind of agree. However --
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 09:10 AM
Apr 2013

In countries where the government is incapable or unwilling to provide a water distribution system for its people, a private system may be the only alternative.They won't be doing this for free. So ... no water distribution system?

cvoogt

(949 posts)
37. should land be free?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:03 PM
Apr 2013

The earth belongs to no one. We belong to it, for a time. Totally agree; the premise of the question is not one we should go along with.

airplaneman

(1,239 posts)
152. Should land be free ?
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:46 AM
Apr 2013

This reminds me of a supposedly true story in the early history of the USA. A white European ask an indian native if he can buy some of his land. The indian takes payment thinking that land cannot be owned by a person. The next day the white European shoots and kills the indian for "trespassing on his land" Ah the definition I guess or is it the ideology?
-Airplane

geomon666

(7,512 posts)
67. Should air be free?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:54 PM
Apr 2013


I can't wait for them to start taking over municipal water sources and privatizing them. This New York City drinking water has been brought to you by our friends at Orkin Pest Control.

KT2000

(20,577 posts)
34. water is not free
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:59 AM
Apr 2013

we pay for water to a private owner, utility district or private well. In my state, Washington, rates must be approved by the state utilities commission. There is health department oversight of water quality.

This CEO is talking about the free-for-all that we call capitalism. They want to compete to acquire the most water resources and deregulate. How long before they stake claim to all water table, run-off from mountains and rain and snow. As in other ventures it is about creating a monopoly and control.

This is a game for these cretins, much like their out-bidding each other for works of art. They have no more concern for peoples' survival than what they are able to make money off of. These are the corporate powers that are currently calling the shots for the US.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
39. Excellent response in the first two paragraphs.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:12 PM
Apr 2013

It's difficult to speculate what the end game might be, but the governments involved can control that by properly choosing the model they use for "privatization." Full privatization would be bad -- a private company controls it all. However, partial privatization where the company makes profits but still answers to the government and the government can cancel their contract is far superior.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
45. If the government is incapable (and many are), then we deny the citizens' their right to water?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:25 PM
Apr 2013

Seems draconian just because you don't like capitalism.

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
61. If a govt is 'incapable,' how is it going to regulate for-profit water companies?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:47 PM
Apr 2013

You espouse the use of government to regulate for-profit water companies, and in the next breath argue that government is 'incapable.'

How can an incapable government efficiently regulate, and what does that do to your for-profit scenario? Who will regulate the water companies if government cannot? In the absence of capable government, what ultimate authority will assure that clean water is available in sufficient quantities to sustain life at a price point all people can afford?

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
83. The first duty of just about every government is to set up a bureaucracy.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:20 PM
Apr 2013

They tax. They regulate. The collect fees. The sign contracts.

Some countries lack the sophistication to build water supply systems. Period. No clue how to do it. So, they hire someone to do build it. If the government then runs the system, the privatization was the weakest version. The government might hire someone or a company to run the nuts and bolts of water treatment and distribution, but the government collects the fees and runs the rest of the show. That's the next level, and most countries can handle it. The most extensive form of privatization is when a government hires a company or entity to run everything from beginning to end, but the government still owns the operation. If the company somehow screws up, their contract is terminated. The final and least common form of privatization is selling everything to a company and allowing them to do it all. Regulations apply, but the government is out of the business.

You espouse the use of government to regulate for-profit water companies

Nope. Never said that.

and in the next breath argue that government is 'incapable.'

Didn't say that either.

You clearly feel that any level of privatization is bad. It would suck to live in a country that had a non-existent water supply system and they were forced to carry water from common wells because of that attitude.
 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
122. When did I say I don't like capitalism?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 05:36 PM
Apr 2013

I don't like monopolies, crony capitalism, and the abuses you see when things like water are privatized-- but I sort of assumed we were all against that.

Is it your contention that the people of Bolivia didn't have the know-how to build and maintain a basic water system?

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
125. My mistake on the capitalism comment. A bad assumption on my part.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 06:04 PM
Apr 2013

As for the people of Bolivia -- that was a governmental decision. Did the government feel incapable or was the administration looking to make a buck by selling off the system? No idea.

Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #3)

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
76. I think they should be single payer.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:13 PM
Apr 2013

Food and water in restaurants shouldn't necessarily be single payer since there are some additional services involved, such as cooking, cleaning, and carrying the food to your table, etc.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
84. I'm not sure what that means in this context. Could you explain "single payer" in terms of water?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:21 PM
Apr 2013
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
92. Ah.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:32 PM
Apr 2013

That's one model.

If it's just for drinking, cooking, and bathing, it's probably a good one if the tax base is there.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
79. How about air? Should you have a "right" to breathe?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:16 PM
Apr 2013

Bottom line is this - the essential human right is the right to life, which I broadly interpret as the right to NOT have any other person deny them the essentials for life - of which food, water and air would be crucial.

I refuse to get on the slippery slope of allowing anyone to control a fundamental resource because to do so empowers them to control the very lives of people as if they were property - ie. invites a return of legitimized slavery. Its an open and closed book for me.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
86. Air? No one is cleaning air and sending it to your home to breathe. Not a good example.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:23 PM
Apr 2013

So, everything that is an essential right should be provided at no cost?

Up thread, it was suggested that housing is a human right? That should be free?

Hypotheticals get out of control in a hurry. I am speaking only of deliver of drinking water.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
107. One of the benefits of civilization...
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:58 PM
Apr 2013

...is that we can collectively provide a basic level of life's necessities to all of our citizens.

Of course work is required in order to do that. Of course there will be inequities in the distribution. Of course some will mooch while others will work hard.

The trick is to find the balance.

For some reason in this country, we think it is proper to make sure that people who use bad judgment should be relegated to living in slums, or on the streets, with few prospects for ever getting back on their feet. We prefer tripping over the homeless, or rolling up our car windows when we see the beggars with cardboard signs, rather than providing basic necessities to everyone regardless of merit.

At the same time, we tolerate higher and higher levels of unemployment; and again, at the same time, we tolerate lower and lower relative rates of pay for the menial levels of work, such that people who are employed must sometimes work 70 hours/wk just in order to make ends meet.

Perhaps we should take a step back and consider how better to structure our civilization. Yes, there need to be incentives for people to work harder. Yes, there should be greater rewards for people who work harder and/or create more. No, there should not be a central command and control system for all goods in society -- that has been tried with disastrous results. But unfettered capitalism as we practice it now has equally disastrous results, as the huge inequalities that are only getting larger, show us. Some of the results are social disorder and violence, that our politicians use to pit us against one another while they continue to feed at the trough of private enterprise's $$$$$.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
121. If delivery is your only point then I retract...
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 05:15 PM
Apr 2013

HOWEVER, privatizing water means OWNERSHIP of the water and the corporations quickly move to extend that to laws that prevent people from collecting rain water for drinking or use - see the Bechtel fiasco in Bolivia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Cochabamba_protests) as an example of privatizing water gone really bad really fast.

As a rule, the ownership of the water is a human right - the distribution and sale of treated or bottled or tested water is something else entirely...

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
123. Bechtel screwed up massively in Bolivia. They were horrible to the people, and were treated as such.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 06:02 PM
Apr 2013

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
106. These natural resources are a part of "the commons."
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:56 PM
Apr 2013

Honestly, nestle should be paying a royalty to the citizens they exploit. He is right about oil being a natural resource and I feel the same way.
I guess that I have a socialist philosophy. To me it is common sense. The same concept as running an extension cord to your neighbors trailer...btw, he is trailer trash but he is saying exactly how the other elites think.

"Their" plan is to enslave us (even more) and squeeze our souls out. Mission 50% complete in America....
Many places have privatized water plants. I hope we are smart enough to at least maintain them as public utilities (water treatment plants).
Kucinich understands this. He was the youngest Mayor ever of Cleveland, OH. TPTB tried to "foreclose" on Cleveland's. Electric plant Dennis preferred to let the town go into bankruptcy instead...a very foresightful young man (and vilified at the time). They have low rates for electricity and the citizens "get it."

enough

(13,259 posts)
8. Good God, are we certain this is real?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:54 AM
Apr 2013

It looks more like heavy-handed satire, but I fear it is not.

enough

(13,259 posts)
133. We've been fighting water-privatization in our neighborhood here in the US
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 07:21 PM
Apr 2013

for a long time, and I do know the global situation. But this guy's exceedingly convincing impersonation of the devil incarnate goes beyond anything I could have imagined. He seems to have no idea how he looks and sounds to the humans.

progressoid

(49,988 posts)
16. sort of...
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:08 AM
Apr 2013
The water sector in France has always been characterized by a coexistence of public and private management, with their respective shares fluctuating over time. The two largest private companies are Veolia Environnement, formerly the Compagnie Générale des Eaux and then Vivendi Environnement, and Suez Environnement, formerly Lyonnaise des Eaux and then Ondeo. The Compagnie Générale des Eaux was founded in 1853 and Lyonnaise des Eaux in 1880. In the late 19th century, municipal governments, dissatisfied with high tariffs and the lack of expansion of networks to poor neighborhoods, did not renew private concessions and created instead municipally owned utilities. The share of private water operators declined to 17% in 1936. The share of the private sector gradually increased to 32% in 1954, 50% in 1975 and 80% in 2000 using a new model: Instead of the concession contracts, which gave the responsibility to finance investments to the private company, the new lease contracts (affermages) made the private operator only responsible for operation and maintenance, while major investments became a responsibility of the municipalities.[15][16] The French water companies also escaped the nationalizations after the war and later under President François Mitterrand, because the central government did not want to interfere with the autonomy of municipalities and was unwilling to finance heavy investments.[17] The water supply of Paris was privatized in 1984 when a conservative mayor awarded two lease contracts, each covering one half of the city. In 2010, a socialist mayor remunicipalized the water system of the French capital

avebury

(10,952 posts)
10. As a person cannot survive without water
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:55 AM
Apr 2013

there is not way on Earth that anybody should consider it a food stuff. Privatization of water could easily become a tool of the 1% to control the 99%.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
19. Unfortunately, the air we breathe IS being managed by "businessmen",
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:14 AM
Apr 2013

and they are rapidly destroying what is left.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
20. Have you bought any water in those cute plastic bottles...
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:16 AM
Apr 2013

...with the little nipple on top lately?

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
15. Future water and food rationing, along with genetic birth control in grains foodstuffs, and robotics
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:05 AM
Apr 2013

will reduce the world population to fascist patches in this monster's paradise of the future.

Eastern populations that rely on rice have later puberty onset which is regulated by trophic hormones (onset by hormones from the brain).

Population projections for Japan:

http://www.ipss.go.jp/site-ad/TopPageData/pyrea.html




 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
26. Enjoy your Calistoga, Perrier, Poland Springs, Arrowhead, Pellegrino, and other botted waters.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:28 AM
Apr 2013

..

All are Nestle Brands.

And of course many other types of products:

http://tinkerance.blogspot.com/2008/08/freemind-for-mind-maps.html

Great graphic at the link above, click to enlarge.

LindaCollins11

(23 posts)
28. Privatized
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:41 AM
Apr 2013

Wonder how long until our DNA is Privatized like Monsanto is doing with seeds, scary stuff when they want to own water

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
31. Water is Already Being Managed in Most Developed Countries - But as a Public Resource
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 11:49 AM
Apr 2013

If you pay a water and sewer bill (it may be hidden in your rent or condo association fees) you are already paying for water. You're paying for the reservoirs or wells that supply the raw water product. You're paying for the filtration and purification of what gets delivered to your tap. The difference between what Brabeck wants and what is happening right now is that water is being managed as a public resource for the good of the public. This has been done quite well by all sorts of municipalities since the late 1800s here in the US.

Brabeck wants to take a public resource that is being managed quite well right now and make it a private resource. I doubt anyone believe for a moment he has the noble motives to bring that resource to the poor people of undeveloped countries. In fact, I suspect he'll make things worse for them. If huge corporations are allowed to privatize water resources in the poor and underdeveloped countries (which they're already doing by buying large tracts of land over aquifers) they're not going to give it to people for free - which he clearly states. Some one will have to pay for it. Will it be the governments of these countries - as if that matters because where would they get the money but from the people? Will it be the people directly - those poor people who barely get buy now as they haul water from publics wells that are sometimes miles away from where they need it?

My answer is yes. People do have a basic human right to water. It should never be privatized completely.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
46. This OP is BS
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:26 PM
Apr 2013

First of all, the video is from 2005. Peter Brabeck is no longer the CEO of Nestle.

Here are his remarks from a few days ago about this video:

From time to time on the internet a video clip from a TV programme made in 2005 about food is posted in which I am talking about whether water is a human right. It seems it has surfaced again, and people are using it to misrepresent my views on this important issue.

Let me be very clear about this again here on the blog, because I think the video clip, which took my views out of context, isn’t clear about the point I was trying to make. The water you need for survival is a human right, and must be made available to everyone, wherever they are, even if they cannot afford to pay for it.

However I do also believe that water has a value. People using the water piped into their home to irrigate their lawn, or wash their car, should bear the cost of the infrastructure needed to supply it.

I have posted about this in more detail before: 'Water is a human right - but not a free good'. Please take a look at that post if you would like to explore the arguments more fully, and of course leave a comment if you would like to join the debate.

http://www.water-challenge.com/post/2013/04/18/Water-you-need-for-survival-is-a-human-right-some-clarity.aspx#.UXLA27adNRE

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
103. Even in the video...
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:50 PM
Apr 2013

...the former CEO says that private companies will ensure that people have basic access.

And you believe him?

I have a bridge in Brooklyn... well you know the rest.

He makes a very clear argument for privatizing water. But really, folks: do you really believe private enterprise when they say "Oh don't worry, we'll make sure you have access to at least the minimum that you need"????? Really? Because my experience is that private enterprise is the most cold hearted, bottom line driven entity out there, and they damned well will deny basic access when push comes to shove, if it benefits the company to do so. He even says that the greatest moral good for a company is to strengthen its bottom line, ensuring its continued existence. He seems to believe that those mythical 4.1M people who depend on Nestle for their very life (extrapolating from the 275,000 who actually work for Nestle), really could not exist without Nestle.

No, Nestle could not exist without those 275,000 people, asshole.

BTW: He may be the former CEO rather than the current CEO. But companies of this size have a culture, and it rarely changes when the CEO changes. These guys are groomed and they are totally immersed in the shared values of the top executives. A lot like the papacy, or any other typical hierarchical structure.

 

BethanyQuartz

(193 posts)
48. Nothing is Free
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:27 PM
Apr 2013

Nothing is free. Take that word out. Even if you are walking along and you see a cookie in front of a 'free food' sign, you still expend energy picking it up to eat it. Money is merely a symbol of resources, time, and human energy.

So the real question is, who should control access to water and who, if anyone, should be permitted to profit from that control?

The answer is not simple. One might say the people who own the land the water is on should control it. But what if a group owns the source of a river and decides to dam it up in order to keep it all for themselves?

One might say that the owner is whoever mixes their labor with the water to make it drinkable or safer to drink. This would seem to support companies like Nestle, until one asks a simple question: Why would any country or community allow a private corporation to access, purify, and then own the water supply? What stops communities from acquiring and using the technology to turn their groundwater, fresh water, and possibly salt water into drinkable water themselves?

That goes to the heart of the matter. Politics, war, colonialism stop communities from controlling their own resources. Corrupt governments installed by powerful nations for the benefit of corporations stop communities from purifying and controlling their own water. This is far more often the case than a lack of access to the technology and funds to implement that technology.

Therefore in a world with vast inequalities favoring a few wealthy nations, world organizations concerned with human rights and human health and philanthropists with similar concerns should assist nations that are unable to properly purify their own drinking water so that they can do so. Private corporations should be barred from interfering or profiting, not because water should be 'free', but because these corporations prey on people who have been put at a severe disadvantage by international politics.

 

TRoN33

(769 posts)
51. The Nestle Empire is going to...
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:29 PM
Apr 2013

Crumbling before our very eyes. This CEO have already caused the fury of rage and its going to be very bad for his business. Water cannot be patented and cannot be privatized. What next, is he going to arrest everybody who swam in lakes and river which inevitable would drink the water?!? This rich CEO must be not feeling happy anymore and want us to being unhappy like him.

Sickening!

Smilo

(1,944 posts)
53. Let's not kid ourselves they are already doing this
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:30 PM
Apr 2013

this inhuman(e) man is just saying it out loud.

 

Rain Mcloud

(812 posts)
54. Edison tried to patent the carbon ring which falls to the base of a lightbulb
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:31 PM
Apr 2013

next step:
The energy companies will want to charge us a monthly rate for breathing in their pollutants.
Where does this insane bullshit stop?
Laissez Faire is not mandated by any God that i have ever heard of,not even small business Christ.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
55. Nestle has sued small Maine villages repeatedly
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:35 PM
Apr 2013

trying to steal access to our water. Poland Springs was originally a locally owned company. Once they sold out to Nestle, they opened the door to those weaselly scum. They've tried to claim we don't "own" the water that lands here and tried to claim a right to drill for more here.

They started out just going for the claim of "bringing jobs." It failed. Then they started with the lawsuits.

Fuck them. So far, knock wood, they haven't succeeded in buying any local judges and the villages have, to my knowledge, stood firm against them.

Water is a local, community resource, period. We are not obligated to let any company, never mind a foreign one, drill for and sell our water, and drain off our aquifers in the process. We have people with private wells, people in the western part of the state still use cisterns, heavy local agriculture, all that depend on our aquifers.

Get ready for the resource wars, people. Water will be the oil of the 21st century.

 

TRoN33

(769 posts)
56. Arughhhh
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:37 PM
Apr 2013


This CEO must be desperate to hoard more money as possible. CEOs' greed are epidemic but treatable if world decide to turn against them and force them to change their handling of the businesses.

What an asshole!!!
 

Brimley

(139 posts)
60. Land of the Free, Home of the Brave,
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:47 PM
Apr 2013

and Abode of the Batshit Insane! (Uh, can Michelle Bachmann sue me for trademark infringement over usage of the word batshit)?

radhika

(1,008 posts)
63. Water is not a Human Right....
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:50 PM
Apr 2013

It's a universal requirement of all life forms on this planet. Human, animal, plant.

No human or human-spawned legal entity should claim ownership of the resource in any significant way. Humans should work to preserve the health of our waterways for the good of all. Not hand this commons over to profiteers.

gopiscrap

(23,757 posts)
65. Wasn't this assholes company the subject
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:52 PM
Apr 2013

of an international boycott...sounds like we need another one!

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
66. Well, Nestle is something that's going on my no-buy list.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:52 PM
Apr 2013

I'm going to miss Stouffers and Tomstone pizza.

List follows:

Cereals

Clusters
Cookie Crisp
Crunch (Cereal)
Fitnesse
Force Flakes
Chocapic
Gold Flakes
Golden Grahams
Golden Nuggets
Golden Morn (Nigeria)
Honey Stars
Koko Krunch
Lion Cereal
Milo Cereals
Nesquik Cereal
Nestlé Corn Flakes
Shreddies (UK & Ireland)

Yogurt

Fruit Selection Yogurt (Philippines)
Longa Vida (Portugal)
Molico (Brazil)
Sweet N Tasty Yogurt (Pakistan)
Rawaytee Maza(Pakistan)
Nestle Raita (Mint & Cumin) (Pakistan)
Yelly (Mango & Strawberry) (Pakistan)
ActiPlus(Pakistan)
Munch Bunch
Ski
Acti-V (Philippines)

Coffee

Bonka
Buoundi (Portugal)[2]
Christina (Portugal)[3]
Dolca (Argentina)
Dolce Gusto
Ecco (Peru, Chile)
El Chaná (Uruguay)
International Roast
Kirma (Peru)
Loumidis (Greece)
Nescafé
Sunrise (India)
Nespresso
Partner's Blend
Ricoffy
Ristretto
Ricoré
Sical[4]
Tofa[5]
Taster's Choice
Zoégas
Shrameet

Water

Aberfoyle
Alaçam (Turkey)
Al Manhal (Middle East)
Aqua D'Or
Aqua Mineral (Poland)
Aqua Pod
Aquarel (water)(Spain)
Acqua Panna
Aquapod
Aqua Spring (Greece)
Arctic (Poland)
Arrowhead (USA)
Baraka (Egypt)
Buxton (UK)
Cachantun (Chile)
Carola (France)
Ciego Montero (Cuba)
Charmoise (Belgium)
Contrex (France)
Cristalp (Switzerland)
Da Shan YunNan Spring (China)
Dar Natury (Poland)
Deep Spring (China)
Eco de los Andes (Argentine)
Erikli (Turkey)
Frische Brise (Germany)
Fürst Bismarck (Germany)
Gerber (Mexico)
Ghadeer (Jordan)
Glaciar (Argentina)
Hépar (France)
Hidden Spring (Philippines)
Henniez (Switzerland)
Ice Mountain (USA)
?orpi (Greece)
La Vie (Vietnam)
Levissima (Italy)
Los Portales (Cuba)
Minéré (Thailand)
Montclair (Canada)
Nałęczowianka (Poland)
Nestlé Aquarel
Pure Life/Pureza Vital/Vie Pure
Nestlé Selda (Portugal)
Nestlé Vera (Italy)
Neuselters (Germany)
Ozarka (USA)
Pejo (Italy)
S. Pellegrino (Italy)
Perrier (France)
Petrópolis (Brazil)
Plancoët (France)
Poland Spring (USA)
Porvenir (Chile)
Powwow
Quézac (France)
Recoaro (Italy)
Saint-Lambert (France)
Sainte-Alix (France)
San Bernardo (Italy)
San Pellegrino (Italy)
Santa Bárbara (Brazil)
Santa Maria (Mexico)
São Lourenço (Brazil)
Sohat (Lebanon)
Springs (Saudi Arabia)
Theodora (Hungary)
Valvert (Belgium)
Viladrau (Spain)
Vittel (France)
Water Line (South Korea)
Waterman (China)
Zephyrhills (USA)

Other drinks

Nestea (Joint-Venture with Coca-Cola, Beverage Partners Worldwide)
Enviga (Joint-Venture with Coca-Cola, Beverage Partners Worldwide)
Milo
Carnation
Caro
Chocolate D'Onofrio (Peru)
Chuckie Chocolate Drink (Philippines)
Cocoa D'Onofrio (Peru)
Nesquik
Nescao (Argentina, Peru)
Nescau (Brazil)
Vascolet (Uruguay)
Libby’s
Growers Direct Organic Fruit Juices
Good Host
Juicy Juice
Ski up and go (Yogurt and Cereal drink)
Supligen (Caribbean)
Nesfruta (Philippines)

Shelf stable

Alpine (Philippines) (acquired to Alaska Milk Corporation in 2007)
Bear Brand
Carnation (acquired to Alaska Milk Corporation in 2007, but under a long-term license agreement with Nestle in the Philippines)
Christie
Coffee-Mate
Dancow
Gloria
Ideal (Peru)
Klim
Krem-Top (Philippines) (acquired to Alaska Milk Corporation in 2007)
La Lechera
Liberty Condensada (Philippines) (acquired to Alaska Milk Corporation in 2007)
Milkmaid (acquired to Alaska Milk Corporation in 2007, but under a long-term license agreement with Nestle in the Philippines)
Moça (Brazil)
Molico (now Svelty)
Nespray
Nestlé All-Purpose Cream (Philippines)
Nestlé Cream [in can] (Philippines)
Nesvita
Nestlé Omega Plus
Nido
Ninho
Svelty
Emswiss
Milo

Chilled

Bear Brand Probiotic (Philippines)
Chamyto (Brazil, Mexico, Chile, Philippines)
Chiquitín (Mexico, Chile)
Club (Mexico)
Hirz (Switzerland)
La Laitière (France,Belgium)
La Lechera (Spain,Mexico)
Moça (Brazil)
Chandelle (Brazil, Chile)
LC1 (Switzerland)
Molico (Brazil now Svelty)
Nestlé
Ski
Sollys (Brazil)
Sveltesse (France)
Svelty (Mexico)
Yoco
Munch Bunch (UK)
Le Viennois (France, Belgium, Switzerland)
Nesvita (Philippines, India)
Ninho (Brazil)

Ice cream

Åhusglass (Sweden)
Camy
?έ??? (Greece)
D'Onofrio (Peru)
Dibs
Dreyer's
Drumstick
Edy's
Frigor (Argentina)
Fruit Selection Yogurt (Philippines)
Frisco
Häagen-Dazs (North America and the United Kingdom)
Heaven (Philippines)
Hemglass (Sweden)
Hjem-IS (Denmark & Norway)
Kotijäätelö (Finland)
Kimo (Egypt)
Kimy (Philippines)
Maxibon
Motta
Mövenpick (Switzerland)
Mivvi
Nestlé
Nestlé Drumstick - The Original Sundae Cone
Nestlé Princessa (Poland)
Oreo (Canada)
Peters (Australia)
Push-Up
Savory (Chile)
Schöller
Skinny Cow
Sorbetes (Philippines)
Temptations (Philippines)
Underground is (Denmark)
Valiojäätelö (Finland)
zer0% Fat (Philippines)

Infant foods

Alete
Alfare
Beba
Bona (Finland)
Cérélac
Farinha Láctea (Brazil)
FM 85
Gerber
Good Start
Guigoz
Lactogen
Nan
NAN HA
NanSoy
Neslac
Nestlé
Nestogen
Nestum (Portugal)[6]
Nido
Piltti (Finland)
PreNan
[edit]Performance nutrition

Musashi
Neston
Nesvita
PowerBar
Pria
Supligen

Healthcare nutrition

Boost
Carnation Instant Breakfast
Nutren
Peptamen
Glytrol
Crucial
Impact
Isosource
Fibersource
Diabetisource
Compleat
Optifast
Resource
[edit]Seasonings

Buitoni
Maggi
Carpathia
CHEF
Haoji
Thomy
Totole
Winiary
[edit]Frozen foods

Stouffer’s
Lean Cuisine
Buitoni
Hot Pockets
Lean Pockets
Papa Guiseppi
Findus (Sweden)
La Cocinera (Spain)
Tombstone Pizza
Jack's Pizza
DiGiorno Pizza
California Pizza Kitchen Frozen

Refrigerated products

Buitoni
Herta
Nestlé
Toll House
Katie`s Pizza

Chocolate, confectionery and baked goods

100 Grand Bar
Aero
After Eight
Allens
Animal Bar
Baby Ruth
Bertie Beetle (Australia)
Big Turk (Canada)
Bon Pari (Slovakia, Czech Republic, Poland and Hungary)
Cailler
Capri (Chile)
Caramac
Carlos V (candy bar)
Charge (Brazil)
Chips Ahoy! (Canada)
Chocolate Surpresa (Brazil)
Chokito (Brazil, Switzerland and Australia)
Cocosette (Venezuela)
Coffee Crisp (Canada)
Chunky
D'Onofrio (Peru)
Damak (Turkey)
Drifter
Fizzfindle
Frigor
Galak/Milkybar
Goobers
Heaven
Hercules Bars (Disney)
JOJO (Slovakia, Czech Republic and Poland)
Icebreakers
Kit Kat (except in the United States, where it is a Hershey's product)
Lion
Lollo (Brazil)[7]
Matchmakers
Milky Bar
Minties (Australia)
Mirage
Joff
Moça (Brazil)
Munchies
Negrita (Chile)
Nestlé Alpine White
Nestlé with Almonds
Nestlé Crunch
Nestlé Crunch Crisp
Nestlé Crunch with Caramel
Nestlé Crunch with Peanuts (Limited Edition)
Nestlé Crunch Pieces
Nestlé Crunch White
Nestlé Milk Chocolate
Nestlé Princessa
Nestlé Wonder Ball
Nestlé Yes (Germany)
Nips
Nuts (Europe)
Oh Henry (except United States)
Orion (chocolate) (Slovakia, Czech Republic)
Peppermint Crisp
Perugina Baci
Polo
Prestígio (Chile, Brazil)
Princessa (Poland)
Quality Street
Raisinets
Rolo (except the United States where Hershey makes it)
Rowntrees
Fruit Pastilles
Jelly Tots
Pick & Mix
Randoms
Fruit Gums
Tooty Frooties
Juicy Jellies
Sahne Nuss (Chile)
Sensação (Brazil)
Snowcaps
Smarties
Suflair (Brazil)
Sundy (France)
Super 8 (Chile)
Susy (Venezuela)
Svitoch (Ukraine)
Szerencsi (Hungary)
Tango (Ecuador)
Tango Mini Galletas (Ecuador)
Texan Bar
Toffee Crisp
Toll House cookies
Trencito (Chile)
Walnut Whip
Violet Crumble
Yorkie
Munch (only in India)
XXX mints
Milky Bar (India)
Wonka confectionery brands
Bottle Caps
Donutz
Fizzy Jerks
FruiTart Chews
Fun Dip
Gobstoppers
Laffy Taffy
Lik-M-Aid
Nerds
Nerds Gumballs
Nerds Rope
Oompas
Pixy Stix
Rainbow Nerds
Runts
SweeTarts
SweeTarts Rope
SweeTarts Shockers
Tart 'n' Tinys
Thrills
Wonka Bars
Wonka Xploders

Foodservice products

Chef-Mate
Davigel
Minor's
Santa Rica
[edit]Petcare

Alpo
Beneful
Cat Chow
Dog Chow
Fancy Feast
Felix
Friskies
Go Cat
Butchers
Bakers
Winalot
Gourmet
Mighty Dog
Mon Petit
ONE
Pro Plan
Purina
Tidy Cats

As shareholder

Nestlé owns 30% of the world's largest cosmetics and beauty company L'Oréal and its brands including Garnier, Maybelline, and Lancôme as well as The Body Shop stores.
Nestlé owned 100% of Alcon. In 2008 Nestlé sold 24.8% of Alcon shares to the Swiss pharmaceutical giant Novartis. In 2010 Nestlé sold another 52% of Alcon to Novartis. Novartis paid a total of 39.1 bn US$.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
68. Today water, tomorrow it will be air.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:56 PM
Apr 2013

I would like to see some mother force feed him his poisoned baby food till he chokes on it. Rotten bastard.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
81. It is. Why do you think Mother Nature put all those plants, berry bushes and
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:17 PM
Apr 2013

fruiting trees out there? The plants need very few of the seeds to reproduce. The rest is there for ours and other species consumption, the water too.

 

adieu

(1,009 posts)
73. It should be managed, like everything else, but not by businessmen
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:05 PM
Apr 2013

There is plenty of water on earth. More than we ever need. Unfortunately, most of it is salt water, which is undrinkable and unusable for growing food. Go ahead and develop desalination plants, go ahead and privatize those. But the water itself should not be controlled or privatized by businessmen.

By the way, water is the best example of a recyclable product. It's never exhausted. Whether we eat it, drink it, mix it with chemicals, water is still water. Eventually, when we clean it and filter it, it comes back out as H2O, turns into vapor under the glare of the sun and floats up into the atmosphere, rains back down as H2O in liquid form. The amount of H's and O's in so vast that it's inexhaustible for the foreseeable future (that is, for the next several billion years) of any sort of usage.

The question is not how to control it, but what sort of regulations to protect drinkable water or water for growing versus water used for diluting chemicals and waste.

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
77. No thanks, I do not trust privately owned, for profit corporations
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:14 PM
Apr 2013

The reason I do not trust them is because they have proven that they will be more than happy to take short cuts with quality, safety, and sterilization to save a buck. They don't care if people or their pets get sick until they're caught and called out on it.

How nervy of this jackass to suggest such a thing. Will add Nestlé to the list of brands I won't buy, because with an attitude like this, I can't be comfortable that they offer a safe, quality product.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
78. Perhaps he should be required to prove his statement by going without water
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:15 PM
Apr 2013

or other liquids for three days and see how he feels about it then.

 

BethanyQuartz

(193 posts)
80. Corporate Persons
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:16 PM
Apr 2013

Corporate persons want the right of free speech to extend even to controlling political campaigns with massive amounts of money (and have been granted that right by the politicians their money bought). Yet these same corporate people want to deny real people and real communities the right to control the resources necessary to sustain life.

 

Apophis

(1,407 posts)
85. It's a human right and it's necessary to live.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:21 PM
Apr 2013

To deny people water is to deny them the right to live.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
94. Not necessarily.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:34 PM
Apr 2013

The corporate model of health care would say that, too, but we have a safety net.

Only in the extreme case of full privatization with no oversight would this occur. It HAS happened, but it's pretty rare.

 

Apophis

(1,407 posts)
113. Wow.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:49 PM
Apr 2013

Your ignorance is surprising.

According to the corporate model, if you don't pay for something, you don't get it. If people can't afford to pay for water (if it gets privatized), they won't be allowed to get any.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
116. No, I know a helluva lot about this.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:57 PM
Apr 2013

In only one, extreme model of complete privatization of the entire process is it possible for the private owner of the water system to make the decision to cut off drinking water for non-payment. Even in the case of 100% public ownership, it is possible to have water shut off of non-payment.

You need to educate yourself and hold off on the insults just a tad longer.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
93. This is the type of moronic thinking that happens when a person lets money dictate reason
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:32 PM
Apr 2013

and understanding. What makes sense to me is that because water is a basic requirement for life, it should not be made a commodity for profit. It obviously costs money (resources) to provide and manage it but it should not be done by people whose primary motivation is to use it to make money. It is the perfect example of what we need a government for. Yes, governments bring up a whole other set of problems to deal with but their fundamental task is to manage a society, not make profit for shareholders.
If (and it's a big if) a government is doing its job, water management is one of its fundamental tasks. I shudder to think of that in the hands of corporations like Nestlé. Suddenly people who don't have a vested interest in the company would become outsiders to the processes that oversee water and therefore have no place to go if their needs are not being met. The only grievance process would be to protest on the streets.


Corporations have shown themselves to be lousy stewards of the world's natural resources. This moron gives us no reason to trust them now.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
96. Surprise, surprise...
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:37 PM
Apr 2013

...the head of Nestle takes a self-serving view of how water should be considered, concluding that it should be privatized.

He scoffs at the notion of "the public good".

These people are a disease that is taking over control of the world.

"We" have more money than ever, he says.

He admires their Japanese factories, highly robotized, "Hardly any people" he says with obvious admiration.

And a 35-hour work week, so that more people have work? Nonsense, says he. Work more! But where are we going to work more, what with all those robotized factories?

I'm sure he has a highly trained analytical mind. It never ceases to amaze me though, how much these highly trained analytical minds can miss, especially when it serves their own bottom line to do so.

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
102. And who does he think should own it?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:50 PM
Apr 2013

Why can I predict Nestle's strategy if and when water becomes privatized? It'll be the next gold rush. In a way, it already is. Companies are buying up water resources in anticipation that it will become privatized.

Everybody needs water, corporations will make it more valuable than oil. In fact, I can see when we're all poor, wealth is going to be measured in controls the water. You'll know when there's a "bubble" in water investment by how many people die of thirst.

I see an awful future if this guy has his way.

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
108. Right, and I think we're in real trouble.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:58 PM
Apr 2013

They're pushing to get control of water, and if they do (unfortunately, it looks like they will) then it's nightmare scenario for 99 percent of the world.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
110. The need for water for clean water is so basic, that even the Romans realized that
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:02 PM
Apr 2013

they had to provide all residents of Rome with potable water, hence the aqueduct system was developed. They also recognized the need for hygiene so they had the public baths built and much of that water went to run that. The reason they did it was not out of the goodness of their hearts but because they knew polluted water and lack of hygiene invited plagues and other pestilence. Since those scourges were equal opportunity, even the most decadent emperor realized that in order for the elite to remain healthy so did the lower classes need to be healthy too. It's too bad our 1% are too stupid to see this.

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
129. It's so basic that the people who own it
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 06:25 PM
Apr 2013

Have absolute power. That's what I see. Privatizing water resources is like handing Sauron the Ring.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
109. This video is a perfect example of corporate/capitalist mentality. He lays it all out very clearly.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:02 PM
Apr 2013

It could not have been stated better. It's unfortunate he won't get the debate his arguments deserve, at least to his face. But I commend him for speaking so clearly and not hiding behind "extreme" positions like human rights just to make an argument for the profit motive more palatable.

Of course, if somebody said this was made by the Onion, I wouldn't be surprised. The greedy don't normally show their cards like this.

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
118. Where the guillotine when you need one?
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 03:49 PM
Apr 2013

4.5 million people dependent on "us"?
That means you have all the money and you are "creating" jobs by wanting to buy nature and take ownership of something we are all dependent on?

The only thing that this CEO think it's his "right" to profit from something that is free!

ancianita

(36,044 posts)
134. Anons should shut down all of Nestle's and Brabeck's computerized operations until he
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 08:06 PM
Apr 2013

issues a formal apology and promises not to ever retail or wholesale fresh water anywhere to anyone at anytime.

VA_Jill

(9,966 posts)
142. Nestlê are bastards
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 10:09 PM
Apr 2013

Since the time my children were babies they have tried to sabotage breastfeeding worldwide. Now this. There was a pretty extensive boycott of them back then (early 70s). Time to restart it.

airplaneman

(1,239 posts)
151. I believe we need to start breaking up all large corporations.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:17 AM
Apr 2013

Way too many of them have gotten so powerful that they are rigging everything against us.
We simply need to start breaking them up into much smaller entities that might actually be helpful for society.
-Airplane

pam4water

(2,916 posts)
162. Nestle should have been broken up after their man made baby formulator disaster in Africa!
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 01:31 AM
Jun 2013

I noticed the wiki entry on it has been cleaned of the worst Nestles did. Nestle offered baby formulator cheap to get women to switch to it then jacked up the price knowing women could not switch back to breast milk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_boycott


I'm waiting for a company to think they own the air next.

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