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aandegoons
(473 posts)America should know how these big lobby groups are not in our best interest.
samsingh
(17,595 posts)ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)ljm2002
(10,751 posts)ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Right now there is no off the shelf solution readily available for gun powder and black powder and there are serious concerns about the 3M style taggants. The examples cited are for explosives, not propellants and differences there are critical.
Should a safe one become available I would not oppose them should there be a reasonable demonstrated need.
Triana
(22,666 posts)From 1998:
Congress rejected these proposals and called for more study after the National Rifle Association and other groups opposed putting markers into black or smokeless powder, questioning the effectiveness of tagging such widely used products and expressing concern that foreign chemicals might affect the gunpowder's performance.
The Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 authorized the Treasury Department to study tagging explosives either for early detection or to help trace explosives after bombings. The department's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms asked the National Research Council, part of the National Academy of Sciences, to examine the issues and it convened two committees to conduct studies.
In a report released in March, the first committee looking at commercial high-grade explosives, like dynamite and military plastic explosives and chemical fertilizer used to make explosives, concluded that it was impractical to put markers into this material. It called for more research into cost, safety and effectiveness questions before considering such additives for wide use.
SOURCE: http://www.nytimes.com/1998/10/09/us/gunpowder-markers-not-feasible-panel-says.html
OTOH Research seems to continue in this: http://t.co/rXHyJ08MEb
Is Lawrence citing old info, or is NRA still opposed today? I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they were, since they love and seem hellbent on protecting criminals who want to use guns and bombs.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Government sponsored research in the 1970s and early 1980s found taggants to be potentially very dangerous, as they were found to increase chemical activity and prompt spontaneous combustion when mixed with some propellants. Nothing has been done to develop different taggants that do not have those problems.
The explosives industry also fought the plastic taggants but support detection chemicals.
The law enforcement benefits of tagging black and smokeless powders are also questionable. Consider that a single batch of gunpowder is normally distributed in half-pound or one-pound cans which can end up all over the country in the hands of 25,000 or more users. Also such small amounts are not tracked. If there is a person of interest, any gunpowder in their possession can be chemically matched to what was used, providing the same information as taggants.
I don't have a problem with taggants provided they are truly inert and safe. However, we need to have realistic expectations for them. They are not a magic bullet and will have a limited useful life.
Triana
(22,666 posts)This is why I asked. Good info.
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)NotHardly
(1,062 posts)I grow so weary of the gnashing of teeth and fear mongering of all variety.