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AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 08:45 PM Mar 2013

Gov Christie calls African American man "Boy" during town hall meeting



BlueJersey.com reported Friday that during a town hall meeting at a church this week in Paterson, NJ, Governor Chris Christie let a racial slur slip when he called an African-American man a “boy,” a term closely related to the more severe “N” word. Christie has, in the past, touted a morally clean public image and has been quoted as saying “language matters; language is a window into attitude.”

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Gov Christie calls African American man "Boy" during town hall meeting (Original Post) AgingAmerican Mar 2013 OP
Despite the dramatic bells in the video (not needed given the context).. Cooley Hurd Mar 2013 #1
Why? sulphurdunn Mar 2013 #3
Because there's clearly an underlying racism in his response to a constituent... Cooley Hurd Mar 2013 #4
It makes sense to me. sulphurdunn Mar 2013 #12
but veee must all acept zee implicationz fascisthunter Mar 2013 #31
I've never called anyone "boy". Not even young males. Cooley Hurd Mar 2013 #44
There is no way Christie meant it with that conotation still_one Mar 2013 #2
I use "dude" and "man" quite liberally... Cooley Hurd Mar 2013 #5
+1,000 Scuba Mar 2013 #40
I don't buy into the "Christie is a good guy" hype AgingAmerican Mar 2013 #6
Christy has no chance to be president ...... Angry Dragon Mar 2013 #8
True, but AgingAmerican Mar 2013 #21
I agree he is a prick, I just do not think he is a racist prick. Just my view. McCain voted still_one Mar 2013 #23
I gotta agree with you. I don't think he said "I hear you, boy. I hear you!"..... marble falls Mar 2013 #13
His prosody sangsaran Mar 2013 #18
After listening several times, I disagree... femmocrat Mar 2013 #20
Have to agree with you. I listened to it several times. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2013 #25
It's I hear ya' boy I hear ya. No pause in the whole thing. Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #34
Agree. 840high Mar 2013 #29
I don't know how Christie meant the word. Cracklin Charlie Mar 2013 #24
I heard it more like "gee, I hear ya", sort of like "boy oh boy". I think it's a stretch to make it xtraxritical Mar 2013 #28
Agree. Especially since the whole line is not there. I think more of the clip would be ... marble falls Mar 2013 #36
Also agree mike dub Mar 2013 #43
He meant it brush Mar 2013 #38
HOLY SHIT DainBramaged Mar 2013 #7
Time to get the chainsaw out... Cooley Hurd Mar 2013 #10
Hmmm.... nt ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #9
This is the 21st century? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #11
NOT A Racist ELI BOY 1950 Mar 2013 #14
Agreed. Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #30
I've done it before. Blanks Mar 2013 #15
me too oldhippydude Mar 2013 #19
I was living in an inner city neighborhood... Blanks Mar 2013 #49
Selective editing, I think matt819 Mar 2013 #16
For the "not a racist" labelers above michigandem58 Mar 2013 #17
If it were you, wouldn't you want people to at least see/hear more of the meeting... Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #35
exactly,. barbtries Mar 2013 #42
Nail on the head. timdog44 Mar 2013 #46
I agree with not liking the editing. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #22
Exactly, Just like the " You Didn't Build That" Crap..... Grassy Knoll Mar 2013 #26
My friends and I referred to ourselves as "the boys" Babel_17 Mar 2013 #27
Christie IrishAyes Mar 2013 #33
Well, I hope IrishAyes Mar 2013 #32
No excuse Shankapotomus Mar 2013 #37
Contrast that with Condi Rice's condescending use of "dear" in an exchange with a college student... KansDem Mar 2013 #48
Christie is an Assh*le, no doubt about it, but I heard "I hear ya, boy I hear ya. Indepatriot Mar 2013 #39
Huh, I think you are right after listening to this Babel_17 Mar 2013 #47
Christie is a piece of shit.... jerseyjack Mar 2013 #41
Christie is just another racist republican Joey Liberal Mar 2013 #45
 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
1. Despite the dramatic bells in the video (not needed given the context)..
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 08:48 PM
Mar 2013

...I'll rec because, although lacking in general context, I'm pretty sure why Christie used that word.

 

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)
31. but veee must all acept zee implicationz
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 11:47 PM
Mar 2013

totally bs takedown... and I don't even like the man. Try harder OP.

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
44. I've never called anyone "boy". Not even young males.
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 12:09 PM
Mar 2013

...and Christie didn't use it as an exclamation (like "oh boy&quot .

still_one

(92,219 posts)
2. There is no way Christie meant it with that conotation
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 08:51 PM
Mar 2013

It was most likely meant in the form I hear you man or such

There are a lot of things to dislike Christie for, but he isn't a racist

Listen to the cpac garbage, or what is happening in Michigan, that's racism

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
5. I use "dude" and "man" quite liberally...
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 08:59 PM
Mar 2013

...but I NEVER have called anyone "boy". Never. Ever. And, I grew up only a few hundred miles from where Chistie grew up (and am roughly the same age).

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
6. I don't buy into the "Christie is a good guy" hype
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 08:59 PM
Mar 2013

He is a prick. He plays the nice guy because he has to if he wants to have any chance at all at becoming president.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
23. I agree he is a prick, I just do not think he is a racist prick. Just my view. McCain voted
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 10:33 PM
Mar 2013

Against a day honoring Martin Luther King, I absolutely believe McCain has racist feelings. In other words for me anyway, I need to see more than what Christie said before I would say he is a racist

marble falls

(57,106 posts)
13. I gotta agree with you. I don't think he said "I hear you, boy. I hear you!".....
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 09:19 PM
Mar 2013

I heard, "I hear you! Boy, I hear you!." The guy was repeating himself at least three times, and Christy was letting him know he'd been heard and to allow Christy to finih. I would hae liked to hear a minute prior and a minute after, too.

Its bad enough to have racist Teapublicans talking their crap without miscalling this event.

I find him prickly and sometimes a bully but have seen no racism from him yet. I am willing to be educated about this if I'm wrong.

sangsaran

(67 posts)
18. His prosody
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 10:11 PM
Mar 2013

doesn't support the idea of "boy" being used as an interjection.

"Exclamation of surprise, pleasure or longing."

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
20. After listening several times, I disagree...
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 10:15 PM
Mar 2013

I heard, "I hear ya' boy.

Not, "Boy, I hear ya'." There was no pause for a comma.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
25. Have to agree with you. I listened to it several times.
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 11:05 PM
Mar 2013

And I have heard "boy" used in various contexts down here.

No missing the connotation in what he said.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
34. It's I hear ya' boy I hear ya. No pause in the whole thing.
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 12:27 AM
Mar 2013

Could it be like, "Allrightalready I hear ya!" Could be. I'd have to hear more of the meeting to judge. Want to give everyone the same fair judgment that I would want.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
24. I don't know how Christie meant the word.
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 10:34 PM
Mar 2013

But it sounded a lot like the old school (Southern, even), racist usage of the word, to me.

Racism comes in many forms.

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
28. I heard it more like "gee, I hear ya", sort of like "boy oh boy". I think it's a stretch to make it
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 11:22 PM
Mar 2013

out as a racial slur.

marble falls

(57,106 posts)
36. Agree. Especially since the whole line is not there. I think more of the clip would be ...
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 12:40 AM
Mar 2013

helpful. Think of Breitbart's character assassination of Shirley Shirrod, who was then frog marched out office over 'racist' comments made out of edited footage.

mike dub

(541 posts)
43. Also agree
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 11:40 AM
Mar 2013

Sounded similar to usage of a very clipped, quick retort: 'boy oh boy'. Christie was on a tear.
And yes as a native Southerner, I understand "boy"'s racial usage/context.

brush

(53,787 posts)
38. He meant it
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 02:09 AM
Mar 2013

And you have to be delusional to believe anything else if you watched the clip. Christie was angry that a black guy of all people had the nerve to actually yell out and interrupt him. There's no mistaking that. I hope Hillary's people save this clip until 2016 because it will become quite useful during the presidential campaign.

On second thought, I'm sure there will be some republicans who will usethis clip against Christie during the primaries if he runs, and as far as any goodwill towards African Americans that was generated by his praise of President Obama's response after Hurricane Sandy, he can forget about that now, and any possible votes too.

ELI BOY 1950

(173 posts)
14. NOT A Racist
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 09:20 PM
Mar 2013

i live in nj...Christie is a bully. An asshole. But not a racist/bigot.
i will never vote for him...unemployment is a point and a half above the average...he ran on not
cutting pensions...he did. He ran on cutting property taxes , he didn't ...he cut teachers , social
workers , and every social program known to man...
he is not a bigot...he is not mark rubio...if he was he would be at CPAC
trust me on this one

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
15. I've done it before.
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 09:52 PM
Mar 2013

In some circles it is just like saying 'man'.

Obviously it doesn't go over as 'harmless' in a group of African Americans, but not always meant to be a racial slur.

I don't think he was trying to be offensive. Just reckless.

oldhippydude

(2,514 posts)
19. me too
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 10:12 PM
Mar 2013

wasn't even a Freudian slip... very embarrassing... I'm no lover of Christie or any conservative.. from the intonation. I would class it as whoops. rather than anything more serious.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
49. I was living in an inner city neighborhood...
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 04:01 PM
Mar 2013

And the kid next door (I say he was a kid, but he was about 20) was talking to me and I used 'boy' in a sentence.

He repeated it loudly a couple if times. I'm just a small town boy (pacific northwest). I was never around any African Americans and it was just how we talked.

I accidentally offended a few folks in the army too; they didn't seem to hold it against me for long.

There isn't any sense in beating up Christie about it anyway. He's as high as he's gonna go. If we best up on him about it; it might make him more popular with his base. Why should he benefit from something that was probably an accident.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
16. Selective editing, I think
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 09:53 PM
Mar 2013

Let that play out, and I would suspect that he said, I hear you. Boy do I hear you.

Look, there's enough to dislike about most Republicans. No need to play these games.

 

michigandem58

(1,044 posts)
17. For the "not a racist" labelers above
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 09:55 PM
Mar 2013

I don't think anyone is entitled to such a blanket amnesty. Racism is like evil. It exists in everyone, but to a different extent in each person. It's pretty clear to me from the cadence at which he said it he was referring to the speaker as "boy" and that's clearly racist.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
35. If it were you, wouldn't you want people to at least see/hear more of the meeting...
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 12:31 AM
Mar 2013

before judging? I would. That's a grave accusation. People should be given full opportunity for the whole context and intonation of speaking voices at a meeting before judgment.

Has he ever used the word before? Did anyone else use the word at that meeting? Two important things I'd want to know. Boy do I want to know those things before judging.

barbtries

(28,799 posts)
42. exactly,.
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 10:06 AM
Mar 2013

it was a racist insult at the moment he said it. christie may not spend his days wallowing in hatred of the other, but his inner racist came out in that statement. i think he should acknowledge and apologize for it.
my opinion: the most insidious racism is that which is denied. i quit saying "i'm not a racist" the day the simi valley jury returned.

timdog44

(1,388 posts)
46. Nail on the head.
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 12:31 PM
Mar 2013

If it had been an oriental or hispanic man saying these things to Christie, the word "boy" would not have been used. It was an angry response to someone who put him on the spot. And so it was racist at the moment he said it. He may not use the term that way, hardly ever, but "in the heat" sometimes things come out that you would not "normally" say in public, but do think them.

 

UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
22. I agree with not liking the editing.
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 10:24 PM
Mar 2013

Let's here the whole exchange. That kind of editing is too close to Andrew Breitbart tactics.

Grassy Knoll

(10,118 posts)
26. Exactly, Just like the " You Didn't Build That" Crap.....
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 11:08 PM
Mar 2013

Cons used over and over against Obama when he was referring to
roads and bridges getting to your business.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
27. My friends and I referred to ourselves as "the boys"
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 11:10 PM
Mar 2013

Round the boys up for a card game. All the boys are down at the bar.

IIRC, it's also the way lots of gangsters referred to their group. Edward G. Robinson, I think, used that term at least once in one of his gangster films.

Christie might have picked up the term.

The alternative is that he picked up the habit of addressing black men as "boy".

Color me doubtful.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
32. Well, I hope
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 12:20 AM
Mar 2013

... those bells were a death knell for his chances in '16.

Don't imagine he'd ever call President Obama that, at least not to his face.

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
37. No excuse
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 01:28 AM
Mar 2013

I recall hecklers still getting a "Sir." I'm not saying it was conscious but the standard way to address even your antagonist for a public figure is "Sir" or "Mam" or "Miss" or "Young man", as the case may be.

Barney Frank still used a civil title toward his antagonist in this exchange:

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
48. Contrast that with Condi Rice's condescending use of "dear" in an exchange with a college student...
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 01:07 PM
Mar 2013


(4'02&quot

She's...Condi-scending!
 

Indepatriot

(1,253 posts)
39. Christie is an Assh*le, no doubt about it, but I heard "I hear ya, boy I hear ya.
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 03:27 AM
Mar 2013

I don't think it was meant as a slur at all. Just my take, but by all means smear away..... seems a bit much though, he'll never get the GOP nod, so It seems like wasted effort.

Joey Liberal

(5,526 posts)
45. Christie is just another racist republican
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 12:12 PM
Mar 2013

Maybe its his way of showing the CPAC crowd that he's still on of them..........

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