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Judi Lynn

(160,631 posts)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 04:08 AM Aug 2014

Is the United States Even a Democracy?

August 12, 2014
Just the Facts, Jack

Is the United States Even a Democracy?

by MATT PEPPE


Every one in the world knows that the government of the United States is a democracy, and that the United States stands for promoting democracy around the world. How do we know this is true? Because the government says so, all the time.

“Democracy and respect for human rights have long been central components of U.S. foreign policy,” claims the State Department. “Supporting democracy not only promotes such fundamental American values as religious freedom and worker rights, but also helps create a more secure, stable and prosperous global arena in which the United States can advance its national interests.”

Idealists would say this is a very benevolent sounding notion. Realists might say it is vacuous and inane. But the media, textbooks, even human rights organizations choose to propagate the idealistic version and claim as an article of faith that the United States does not just practice democracy, but embodies the very idea itself.

Democracy is used as a justification for everything the government does – domestically and abroad. Since the U.S. is the embodiment of democracy and democracy is good, then everything the U.S. does is good, by definition.

More:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/08/12/is-the-united-states-even-a-democracy/

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Is the United States Even a Democracy? (Original Post) Judi Lynn Aug 2014 OP
It's a Republic. nt MADem Aug 2014 #1
a step or two less democratic than that in reality yurbud Aug 2014 #2
Generally the term "democracy" when applied to modern states means "democratic republic". Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #7
We have all accepted that, once elected, a politician will do the bidding of his biggest donors. djean111 Aug 2014 #3
It's a Fascist Oligarchy, masquerading as a democratic republic Demeter Aug 2014 #4
It can't be fixed. DeSwiss Aug 2014 #5
yeah that. seems unlikely. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #8
Pretty much this, sad to say. hifiguy Aug 2014 #13
No it is not. DeSwiss Aug 2014 #6
Socialism for the rich hifiguy Aug 2014 #14
NO, imthevicar Aug 2014 #9
In April 2014 swilton Aug 2014 #10
No. n/t bobthedrummer Aug 2014 #11
No sakabatou Aug 2014 #12
 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
7. Generally the term "democracy" when applied to modern states means "democratic republic".
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 07:19 AM
Aug 2014

The question then is are we a democratic republic, if you wish to be pedantic.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
3. We have all accepted that, once elected, a politician will do the bidding of his biggest donors.
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 05:44 AM
Aug 2014

Not a democracy to me.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
4. It's a Fascist Oligarchy, masquerading as a democratic republic
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 06:37 AM
Aug 2014

and I don't know how to fix it;

we'd have to form a dominant People's Party, capture the legislature and executive branches on state and federal level, impeach all the courts, and rewrite the Constitution and the tax code to prevent Big Money from taking over again...

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
5. It can't be fixed.
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 06:57 AM
Aug 2014

Just leave it alone. It'll kill itself.

- Just stay out of its way if you can.....

 

imthevicar

(811 posts)
9. NO,
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 07:21 AM
Aug 2014

The Congressional Impasse of 1911 (froze the House membership at 435 in perpetuity) ended the republic. Now we have an Oligarchy!

 

swilton

(5,069 posts)
10. In April 2014
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 11:36 AM
Aug 2014

Nobel prize-winning political economists Gilens (Princeton) and Page (Northwestern) published a credible research concluding that the US was an oligarchy not a democracy.

This is the video discussion by the BBC of that study

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017190230




and here is the DU link when it came out


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024840881

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