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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 04:57 AM Apr 2014

The strange case of the 'time travel' murder.

A woman's body is found in London. DNA turns up a hit, yet the suspect apparently died weeks before the alleged victim. Here, forensic scientist Dr Mike Silverman tells the story of one of the strangest cases of his career.

It was a real-life mystery that could have come straight from the pages of a modern-day detective novel.

A woman had been brutally murdered in London and biological material had been found under her fingernails, possibly indicating that she might have scratched her attacker just before she died.

A sample of the material was analysed and results compared with the National DNA database and quickly came back with a positive match.

The problem was, the "hit" identified a woman who had herself been murdered - a full three weeks before the death of her alleged "victim".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26324244

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The strange case of the 'time travel' murder. (Original Post) dipsydoodle Apr 2014 OP
Interesting. Chemisse Apr 2014 #1
This seems vey plausible considering the definition of a dotymed Apr 2014 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author newfie11 Apr 2014 #3
Sounds like a Castle episode. tanyev Apr 2014 #4
NCIS Episode, Season 2: "Lieutenant Jane Doe" n/t malthaussen Apr 2014 #5
A good demonstration of the importance of being exquisitely careful in collecting evidence. eppur_se_muova Apr 2014 #6
DNA match could be identical twins, raised or adopted by saidsimplesimon Apr 2014 #7
Yes Sherlock. dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #8
Spoiler alert: What you find out if you read the linked article. Jim Lane Apr 2014 #9
Thanks Jim, so much to read, so little time. n/t saidsimplesimon May 2014 #10

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
2. This seems vey plausible considering the definition of a
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 07:38 AM
Apr 2014

conspiracy.....
Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act. Hell, the crime could have been
accomplished by one individual. Planting evidence at a crime scene is a good way to misdirect, especially if you use the DNA of a deceased person.
I would be looking at what they had in common and the possibility that they were murdered by the same person.

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eppur_se_muova

(36,299 posts)
6. A good demonstration of the importance of being exquisitely careful in collecting evidence.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:22 AM
Apr 2014

This is true not just in forensics -- there have been a lot of infamous wrong theories built on sloppy evidence.

Of course, if you're using the evidence to raise investment capital, the sloppiness may be quite deliberate (Blacklight Power, I'm looking at you).

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
9. Spoiler alert: What you find out if you read the linked article.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 04:11 PM
Apr 2014

It wasn't identical twins. It wasn't planted evidence. It also wasn't the other speculation I had, that the second murder was committed by a woman who had managed to hack into the national database and put her own DNA on file under the name of someone else (the someone else then having been murdered a few weeks before the hacker committed the second murder).

Here's what actually happened....

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It was lab error. Scissors were used to clip the fingernails of the first victim, so the nail clippings could be analyzed. The scissors retained some of her DNA. The same scissors were then used to clip the fingernails of the second victim, and some of the first victim's DNA was transferred from the scissors to the clippings from the second victim.

As a result, the UK implemented a new policy: Use disposable scissors to clip fingernails for DNA sampling, and put the scissors in the evidence bag with the nail clippings, so that you can establish that the scissors were used only once (against a possible defense argument that the same sort of error might have occurred again).

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