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MindMover

(5,016 posts)
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 07:24 PM Mar 2014

The Germans Have Figured Out How to 3-D Print Cars

The assembly line isn’t going away, but 3-D printing is going to reshape how we make cars. The EDAG Genesis points the way, with an beautifully crafted frame made from a range of materials and inspired by a turtle’s skeleton.

The German engineering firm showed off the Genesis design concept at the Geneva Motor Show as proof that additive manufacturing–EDAG’s fancy term for 3-D printing–can be used to make full-size car components. It’s on an entirely different scale than the tiny, 3-D printed creations coming out of a desktop Makerbot, but it’s also just a frame–a stylized chassis that’s more art than reality.

Before settling on 3-D printing, EDAG tried a few different acronym-heavy options, including selective laser sintering (SLS), selective laser melting (SLM), and stereolithography (SLA). But after extensive tinkering, the final process they used was a modified version of fused-deposition modeling, or FDM.

EDAG’s robot built the Genesis concept by creating a thermoplastic model of the complex interior, although the company says they could use carbon fiber to make the structure both stronger and lighter. EDAG envisions the Genesis as being surrounded by an exterior frame–likely steel or aluminum–to provide a tough exterior to protect the lattice-like monocoque.

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/edag-3-d-printed-car/?mbid=social_twitter

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The Germans Have Figured Out How to 3-D Print Cars (Original Post) MindMover Mar 2014 OP
interesting.. so I suppose we can presume less of a need to mine ore/ forge steel in the future 2banon Mar 2014 #1
It's made out of polyacrylonitrile fibers jmowreader Mar 2014 #3
that figures.. should have just realized the term "carbon" is the first clue. 2banon Mar 2014 #4
Carbon fiber isn't exactly new jmowreader Mar 2014 #5
You raise a good point.. 2banon Mar 2014 #6
Of course! jmowreader Mar 2014 #7
"Additive manufacturing" is the term for 3-D printing DavidDvorkin Mar 2014 #2
 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
1. interesting.. so I suppose we can presume less of a need to mine ore/ forge steel in the future
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 08:44 PM
Mar 2014

at least to meet the demands for auto parts. they'll be made of some sort of carbon fiber wonder what 'elements' go into making carbon fiber. something to research at some point.

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
3. It's made out of polyacrylonitrile fibers
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 10:28 PM
Mar 2014

The process involves a shitload of energy: first you heat it to 300 degrees C in air to oxidize it, then put it in argon and heat it to 2500 degrees C to carbonize.

There are three problems with carbon fiber.

First, it's made out of petroleum because the base feedstocks for acrylonitrile are all petrochemicals.

Next, the epoxy that binds it together is also made out of petroleum. Carbon fiber is a fiber-reinforced plastic - think of it as a kind of black fiberglass.

But most important is the way it fails. Metals bend when they fail. Carbon fiber shatters. You can make a Formula 1 car out of it secure in the knowledge that after Grandma drives it to church on Sunday someone is going to take it completely apart and inspect the coachwork. That doesn't happen with street cars.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
4. that figures.. should have just realized the term "carbon" is the first clue.
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 11:03 PM
Mar 2014

well great. as we struggle to create renewable sources for ENERGY in order to get away from the need to drill/frack/go to war for and over oil, new uses for petroleum product make it's insidious way into technology, the marketplace and infrasture. <big sigh>

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
5. Carbon fiber isn't exactly new
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 03:46 AM
Mar 2014

You would still be insane to build a car frame out of it...can you imagine having a suspension component fail during rush hour on the GWB?

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
6. You raise a good point..
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 11:15 AM
Mar 2014

Do you suppose they're just using the 3d printer as template simply for prototype designs, to be replicated with other material?

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
7. Of course!
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 12:52 PM
Mar 2014

But in the new modern era, everything will be 3-d printed...because it's better to print one car by high tech means than to make a thousand of them in the same time frame.

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