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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 07:21 PM Feb 2014

Ultranationalist Neo-Nazi Parties On The March In Ukraine


President Viktor Yanukovich’s sudden, surprise departure from Kiev is the beginning of a long ordeal for Ukrainians. It’s also the start of a major threat to the several hundred thousand Ukrainian Jews.

Anti-Semitic violence in Ukraine may come as a surprise to an American audience accustomed to optimistic portrayals of the swiftly changing events in U.S. media. The last weeks have been dominated by talk of vigils for democracy, for the EU, for Western ways, played out for the cameras in the bonfire-lit Independence Square.

The Russian media, by contrast, have devoted time, since autumn, to explicating the virulent history of the ultranationalist neo-Nazi parties from western Ukraine that rally under the black and red flag of the grandfather of Ukrainian fascist parties, the 85-year-old Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists. Its flag can be seen in pictures of the parliament building surrounded by masked and helmeted protesters.

In her Sunday appearance to discuss the crisis on “Meet the Press,” National Security Adviser Susan Rice was not asked about the fears of the Jews of Ukraine. Nor has the White House mentioned Jews or anti-Semitism during the several remarks directed at Moscow advising Russian President Vladimir Putin not to intervene in the Ukrainian chaos.

Ukrainian Jews, on the other hand, are speaking out loudly now that Kiev is descending into anarchy.

A grave threat

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http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/2/ukraine-nationalistantisemitismneonaziviolence.html
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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
3. As am I, which is why I'm putting up some of these different perspectives
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 08:11 PM
Feb 2014

on this serious situation.

DinahMoeHum

(21,801 posts)
4. There's a power vacuum out there. . .
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 09:02 PM
Feb 2014

. . .with potentially very nasty power plays among the competing factions.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
5. You know you can measure their influence by seats held in their parliament, right?
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 09:11 PM
Feb 2014

"on the march" ??? Maybe, but what I'm getting is a country trying to turn to a more open government and being screwed with by Putin. IIRC the nationalists only have something like 6-8% of the seats, but it isn't my area of focus so you'll want to verify that.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
6. actually the idea that national ideologies match election outcome is itself a Cold-War
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:54 AM
Feb 2014

ploy: it says that democracy just means elections and those elections are 100% representative

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
7. That doesn't make a bit of sense to me.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:13 AM
Feb 2014

National ideologies? What does that mean in this context?

And why is it a "Cold-War ploy"?

Democracies do mean elections and unless you have a better system, they are as representative as it gets. Sure they can be corrupted, but democracies (especially parliamentary democracies) are looking pretty much better than any other system of governance I know of.

So what is a national ideology? Did you mean nationalistic? If so I still don't get it.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
9. 72% of Americans want more taxes on wealthy and higher minimum wage--
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:48 PM
Feb 2014

does 72% of Congress (give or take a little)?

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
11. That doesn't explain your cryptic post nor validate a claim about democracy writ large
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:19 PM
Feb 2014

Try direct dialog where you take the time to make a meaningful point.


This isn't twitter.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
8. Thanks for the neoliberal take on recent events
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:47 AM
Feb 2014

...and the kneejerk baying at Putin.

Perhaps you'd like to comment on why, with one year to go until election, the US state dept. decided to plan a violent coup right on Russia's border:

(segue's into leaked phone conversation...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ROTwyP5no08#t=778

(...and)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ROTwyP5no08#t=994

And there is also that bit about the CIA referring to the Orange Revolution as a part of its playbook.

I suspect that Ukranian protesters were drawn into violence by provocateurs when they started throwing bricks and molotov cocktails at the riot police (setting them on fire), and even tried to run them over with bulldozers. I have also seen footage of snipers shooting at police but it was undated.

It is interesting to see the double standards that effortlessly take over when people become 'informed' by American infotainment.

At stake in the minds of the protesters-cum-insurgents is the economic windfall of becoming the most important NATO outpost.

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