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Behind the Aegis

(53,957 posts)
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 02:02 AM Oct 2013

Antisemitism doesn't always come doing a Hitler salute

When the Ukip politician Godfrey Bloom referred to "Bongo Bongo land", there were not many who denied the remark was racist. When the same man told women who failed to clean behind the fridge that they were "sluts", most could see the comment was sexist. Yet when the target of an insult is a Jew or Jews, there is rarely such certainty. Unless antisemitism comes dressed in an SS uniform and doing a Hitler salute, we are regularly thrown into confusion. Suddenly we are in the seminar room, calling on experts to tell us whether or not this or that sentence was anti-Jewish, the debate usually ending without clear resolution. To add to the complexity, very often Jews disagree among themselves, with just as many willing to give the disputed word or deed a free pass as to condemn it.

So it has been this week with the Daily Mail's sustained assault on the late Ralph Miliband, the Marxist scholar it branded "The Man Who Hated Britain". Some detect a whiff of anti-Jewish prejudice, some swear there is no such thing. When pressed on the point by the BBC, Ed Miliband himself declined to add antisemitism to his list of charges against the paper.

All of which, I imagine, must make it hard for the open-minded outsider, the non-Jew keen to oppose all forms of racism. They know they're against antisemitism, but how exactly to spot it? When is the line crossed? Where, in fact, is the line? In the spirit of public service, let me attempt an answer.

First, the word itself. So much as mention antisemitism and someone will pop up to tell you that Arabs are semites too so why do Jews insist on hogging, as it were, all the antisemitism for themselves. But the word was not a Jewish invention. It was popularised by a 19th-century German Jew-hater called Wilhelm Marr, keen to put his loathing on a pseudo-scientific basis: he used "semites" to mean Jews and, partly because "anti-Jewish racism" is a mouthful, the word has stuck.

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Antisemitism doesn't always come doing a Hitler salute (Original Post) Behind the Aegis Oct 2013 OP
"rootless cosmopolitans" (another euphemism) lacking in sufficient patriotism." ZombieHorde Oct 2013 #1
Trust me, it isn't a compliment. Behind the Aegis Oct 2013 #2
I know they don't mean it as a joke, ZombieHorde Oct 2013 #3
I understood the joke about blood drinking. Behind the Aegis Oct 2013 #4
Oh, sorry, I misinterpreted your post. ZombieHorde Oct 2013 #5
Thanks for posting. Anti-semiticism, like all bigotry is a waste of time in the long run. freshwest Oct 2013 #6
Thanks for posting Ash_F Oct 2013 #7
Their intent is to paint the Labour leader, his son, as a secret Britain-hating Marxist muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #8
k&r LeftishBrit Oct 2013 #9

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
1. "rootless cosmopolitans" (another euphemism) lacking in sufficient patriotism."
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 02:19 AM
Oct 2013

Wait, this is supposed to be an insult? Seems like a compliment to me.

Others would claim that Jews feasted on the blood of Christian children


They're confusing Jews with the brave soldiers fighting the War Against Christmas, which is an atheist war.

Behind the Aegis

(53,957 posts)
2. Trust me, it isn't a compliment.
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 02:22 AM
Oct 2013

Basically, it means we aren't loyal to anyone (country) but ourselves, and even that is questionable.

As for your quote, please read: The Last Blood Libel Trial.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
3. I know they don't mean it as a joke,
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 02:29 AM
Oct 2013

I just happen to like rootless cosmopolitans with no patriotism. It's like when Republicans call President Obama a socialist and I just think "I wish!"

The blood drinking part of my post was a joke. Perhaps I shouldn't be making jokes about such a serious issue, but I enjoy mocking racists.

Behind the Aegis

(53,957 posts)
4. I understood the joke about blood drinking.
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 02:32 AM
Oct 2013

I thought you'd like to read that article. It isn't well known. Hell, I'd never heard of it.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
5. Oh, sorry, I misinterpreted your post.
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 02:36 AM
Oct 2013

I have heard of the blood libel thing. I think I read about on DU a long time ago, but I will look at the article.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
6. Thanks for posting. Anti-semiticism, like all bigotry is a waste of time in the long run.
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 03:02 AM
Oct 2013

Or at least we'd like to think that it is. Some have made a living off it. How tiresome and discouraging to keep going through this again and again.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
7. Thanks for posting
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 08:28 AM
Oct 2013

I've never heard of Ralph Miliband, but now I am intrigued and want to know more. If their intent was to diminish him, then they failed. At least with me.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,318 posts)
8. Their intent is to paint the Labour leader, his son, as a secret Britain-hating Marxist
Sun Oct 13, 2013, 10:15 AM
Oct 2013

This is the British equivalent of the birther conspiracies, or the other "Obama was brought up a Marxist by his mother/step-father/secret real father" nonsense. Their main attack on Ralph Miliband is about his supposed hatred for Britain (ignoring, for instance, that he fought in the Royal Navy at D Day).

They're not going after him because he had a Jewish father - they never tried anything like this with Michael Howard, for instance, who was Tory leader about 10 years ago, whose father similarly arrived in the UK, in 1939. But, having decided to attack him as 'hating Britain', they do seem to have used one or two of the phrases that have been used to attack other Jewish people.

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