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Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 07:53 PM Oct 2013

I worry about these GOPers. They do have a tendency to push their luck too far, you know.

The Republicans with decades of tax and wage policies concentrating wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer - resulting, inevitably, in stagnant wages for millions and inadequate demand for a healthy, growing economy; their mantra of Deregulation of the banking industry (Commodities Futures Modernization Act, e.g. unregulated trading in Credit Default Swaps by Casino Banks) - and fighting regulation already on the books (Predatory Lenders Partner in Crime - Spitzer) and with the use of recklessly expansionist monetary policy (to keep spending up by enabling the 'common buggers' to buy more than their increasingly meager incomes really could support) created the Trickle Down Deregulation disaster - the worst economic catastrophe this country has seen since the (first) Great Depression. They then fought and filibustered every effort of President Obama and the Democrats to help the economy recover from the Trickle Down disaster thus sabotaging and slowing any recovery before Obama and the Dems could get one going - thus husbanding what is now known as the Republican Economic Dystopia ("Unemployment Rate Without Government Cuts: 7.1%" - May, 2011: Wall Street Journal).


Yet despite all their efforts to undermine the repair and recovery of the economy, the Gangrenous Old Party was faced with an economy that was showing signs of starting to grow again: the Manufacturing sector grew in September at its fastest rate since 2011. Consumer purchasing grew in August aided by the biggest increase in worker earnings in six months. Clearly, this Republican Dystopia of an austerity enervated, 4 year long, slow recovery looked to be in peril. What to do, what to do?

The GOP still had a couple more weapons in their arsenal. They could threaten a Government shutdown and pile on with a threat of forcing a Default on the Government debt. They had done this before to great effect. It was an Improvised Economic Disaster threat that had worked wonders to throw a scare into businesses and slow the recovery in 2011 (Standard and Poor's lowers Government's Credit Rating to AA) (US firms hoarding $2 trillion - Aug 2011). That was just what the terrorists ordered for this current situation. And this could be dressed up in a propaganda package of demanding defunding of Obamacare. The Gangreneous Old Plutocrats cackled with crafty glee.


But, I am worried about the GOP. They have a knack for pushing their luck too far. What about the multitudes who have suffered so much for so long from the machinations of these Plutocrats. I would not want to see an angry complement of millions, unemployed and disenfranchised by the GOP, marching on Washington to confront these designers of depressions, dismantlers of Government and threateners of default. People who feel that any way they turn - they lose, are an irascible lot. These are not people to be screwed with.


note: Scarred by Financial Crisis, U.S. Companies Continue to Hoard Cash - Wall Street Journal, 2013

The Growing Corporate Cash Hoard - Bruce Bartlett - Feb, 2013

U.S. Corporations' Money Hoard Is Bigger Than the GDP of Germany - The Atlantic, July 2012

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I worry about these GOPers. They do have a tendency to push their luck too far, you know. (Original Post) Bill USA Oct 2013 OP
i am not worried about the gop's luck questionseverything Oct 2013 #1
On the T-bill thing--It's a good bet. Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #2
that is what i am worried about questionseverything Oct 2013 #4
no but the people who buy options on T-Bills are your friendly WS bankers and Hedge-Fund mgrs. Bill USA Oct 2013 #3
well the threat is already in the air questionseverything Oct 2013 #5
So do the people who end up on the Darwin Award list. nt bluedeathray Oct 2013 #6
Really? Compare their representation now to 1992, when they went radical right. Doctor_J Oct 2013 #7

questionseverything

(9,654 posts)
1. i am not worried about the gop's luck
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 08:12 PM
Oct 2013

i am worried about them derailing a weak recovery,with the CR and the debt debate happening so closely many are waiting to sign big contracts...business is not the only ones to worry about uncertainty ,wise consumers do too

i saw something on msnbc last night about put options against t-bills being bought up...basically saying the market was betting against t-bills... i have you read or heard about that?

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
2. On the T-bill thing--It's a good bet.
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 08:21 PM
Oct 2013

If we default, T-bills will lose their previously sacrosanct status as the investments of absolute certain stability.

questionseverything

(9,654 posts)
4. that is what i am worried about
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 08:34 PM
Oct 2013

and if this chart was correct,the big money is lining up saying that is going to happen..and big money usually knows

i was just reading an article with krugman saying the 1% have created a monster they can not control...the gdp will suffer for the shutdown but default is unimaginable

Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
3. no but the people who buy options on T-Bills are your friendly WS bankers and Hedge-Fund mgrs.
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 08:30 PM
Oct 2013


Buying Puts on T-Bills - buying them - means you expect T-Bills to go down. IOW, they expect rates to go up. So they are betting on the threat of default. - NOT necessarilly an actual default. All they need - to make money (they feel, - that is - if you can get in AND get OUT ahead of the other speculators) - is for other Money managers to think there is a chance of default or they think think other T-Bill speculators will buy expecting the risk of default happening being strong enough to lead others to buy Puts on T-Bills.

Speculation feeds on itself. It's madness.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
7. Really? Compare their representation now to 1992, when they went radical right.
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 09:10 AM
Oct 2013

Then tell me how that plan is somehow not working.

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