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villager

(26,001 posts)
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 04:45 PM Jul 2013

Letters at 3AM (#3): The Fifth Amendment no longer exists as a functioning law of the land

An Arbitrary Nation, Pt. 3

by

Michael Ventura

A law arbitrarily enforced (or not enforced) according to the whims of the authorities is no longer a law. That is the premise as we examine the Constitution.

On to the Fifth Amendment: "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

It says, "No person." There isn't a distinction between citizen and noncitizen

<snip>


On Sept. 30, 2011, another American citizen, Anwar al-Awlaki, was executed in Yemen, via drone, by order of the president. The White House says that's legal, but won't say why, nor why the memorandum justifying the president's power to kill Americans was "written more than a year before Mr. Awlaki was killed" (The New York Times, Oct. 8, 2011).

The administration has successfully created such a murky atmosphere that eight Democratic and three Republican senators signed a letter requesting the appropriate documents to judge "whether the president's power to deliberately kill American citizens is subject to appropriate limitations and safeguards" (The New York Times, Feb. 5).

Excuse me? What "president's power to deliberately kill American citizens" are we talking about? There is no such power in the Constitution. Is the president's power to kill now assumed by Congress as long as there are "appropriate limitations and safeguards"? (Let's pause and breathe deeply.)

Three months after President Obama ordered al-Awlaki's execution, he signed the National Defense Authorization Act, specifically designating that Americans, on American soil, may be arrested without warrant and detained indefinitely without trial (as had already occurred with Jose Padilla).

A year later, the House and Senate reauthorized the National Defense Authorization Act, deciding "to drop a provision that would have explicitly barred the military from holding American citizens ... in indefinite detention without trial" (The New York Times, Dec. 18, 2012).

We started with, "No person can be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury." Now we're at: The president can arrest, detain, and execute at will.

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http://www.austinchronicle.com/columns/2013-05-17/letters-at-3am-an-arbitrary-nation-part-3/

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Letters at 3AM (#3): The Fifth Amendment no longer exists as a functioning law of the land (Original Post) villager Jul 2013 OP
This American Citizen deserved what he got... Callmecrazy Jul 2013 #1
ok disidoro01 Jul 2013 #4
What about him? Callmecrazy Jul 2013 #5
OK, I'll call you Crazy. nt truebluegreen Jul 2013 #6
Are you that disidoro01 Jul 2013 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Jul 2013 #10
Scary isn't it newfie11 Jul 2013 #2
Yup, we continue to slumber here in the good ol' U.S. of A. villager Jul 2013 #3
Really? treestar Jul 2013 #8
Secret assasinations, secret courts, secret surveillance bluedeathray Jul 2013 #9
It never does. villager Jul 2013 #11

Callmecrazy

(3,065 posts)
1. This American Citizen deserved what he got...
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 05:02 PM
Jul 2013

He enjoyed all the freedoms that this country had to offer and then became an enemy of the state by his own free will. He moved to a foreign country to take up arms against us. This war on terror is unlike any other the US has fought. We didn't start it, they did. He chose to play for the other team and so is a fair target. Fuck him and his 72 virgins. They're all ugly anyway. May his god wrap him in his ever loving arms now and forever. Which is exactly what he wanted.

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newfie11

(8,159 posts)
2. Scary isn't it
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 05:06 PM
Jul 2013

Meanwhile most good citizens pay no attention to what's going on. The msm doesn't report it as their to busy with tv trials.

Yes if we ever did want to protest such as Egypt you can bet the military would shut it down very quickly.

So much for posse comitatus.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
3. Yup, we continue to slumber here in the good ol' U.S. of A.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 05:10 PM
Jul 2013

...where even many in an "Underground" rush to defend the status quo!

bluedeathray

(511 posts)
9. Secret assasinations, secret courts, secret surveillance
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 03:49 AM
Jul 2013

Data classifications growing in number and scope.

This isn't going to end well...

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
11. It never does.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 11:55 PM
Jul 2013

But who gives a shit about history? Either in the country at large, or here at the "Underground...?"

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