Opposition to Obamacare sparks conservative wave among grad students

[antigop]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/opposition-to-obamacare-sparks-conservative-wave-among-grad-students.php

A new conservatism is beginning to emerge on some college campuses, spurred in part by opposition to President Barack Obama’s signature health care law.

Modeled after The Federalist Society for Law and Public Policy, which has molded several generations of legal thinkers at the nation’s law schools, this new wave of conservative thinkers is looking to take root in graduate schools of business, medicine and foreign policy.

One of the fastest-growing conservative alternatives is the Benjamin Rush Society, whose members support a free-market, limited government approach to medicine. The organization says its ranks have swelled since passage of the federal Affordable Care Act.

“Thirty to 40 years ago, the rule of law was a joke. It wasn’t taken seriously,” said Dr. Beth Haynes, executive director of the Rush society, named for an 18th Century physician who signed the Declaration of Independence. “It had no intellectual weight to it upon law campuses. That’s a very similar place to where free market in academic medicine is. It’s considered laughable.”

“I want to get free market back to the point where it’s a respectable point of view that has to be seriously considered. There’s no way that can happen until students are aware of what that really means, and they start having conversations,” he said.

Know thy enemy.

[Sanity Claws]

1. Somehow I'm skeptical about this

I don't think of the current college students as being big proponents of wild west capitalism. They have been victimized too much by it for me to believe that they want free-market health care. I would have to see some hard statistical evidence based on a scientific survey for me to put any weight in that claim.

A lot of so-called news articles as nothing but propaganda put out there by the powers that be.

[KansDem]

4. Agreed. We'll see CorpMedia moving from the Tea Party's "Rage in the Heartland"...

...to Conservative Grad Students' "Rage on the Campus."

[antigop]

10. the Benjamin Rush Society exists...

http://benjaminrushsociety.org/

March 26th, 2013 Debate at Yale Medical School
The Benjamin Rush Society Presents The Arthur N. Rupe Debate Series
Co-sponsored by the Benjamin Rush Society, the Yale Medical School Healthcare Improvement Group and the American Medical Student Association
Be It Resolved That
“Markets with Limited Government Intervention are the
Best Way to Control Spending Growth in Health Care.”
March 26th, 2013, 5:15 p.m.
Pre-Debate Reception at 5:00 p.m.

[Sanity Claws]

18. The so-call Tea Party exists too

But it is not because of a groundswell of support for some half-assed idea. Rather it was funded and created by Koch Bros. I think the same is likely true of the this purported organization.

[antigop]

20. and look how much damage the Tea Party has caused. nt

[Sanity Claws]

21. Yes and the reason they have been able to cause damage

is because they are a front group for the powers that be.

That Rush Society is just a front group too, I'll bet. The only reason they are getting media coverage is because the powers to be wish to portray it as powerful and growing.

[antigop]

22. I'm not denying that. The Tea Party did manage to recruit people. That's the danger. nt

[Doctor_J]

2. This can no doubt be traced back to the Cock Bros or some other right-wing financier

They are literally everywhere in American life. America is like a human body and conservatism is a cancer which has metastasized to every organ. Getting rid of it is going to require radical treatment

[antigop]

7. exactly what I was wondering, Doctor_J? Who is behind this? nt

[graham4anything]

3. I love Obama's healthcare.saving me $1950 a MONTH..when people here how great it is, so will they

Last year Aetna 3450
this year horizon 1500
last year couldn't change due to preexisting
this year have with NO lifetime cap

[antigop]

5. yes, as if so many people can afford $1500/month. Get real. pssst....don't tell anyone...

Even With the Affordable Care Act, Health Insurance Coverage Remains Unaffordable for Many

http://truth-out.org/news/item/14019-even-with-the-affordable-care-act-health-insurance-coverage-remains-unaffordable-for-many

76% of Americans are living paycheck-to-paycheck
http://money.cnn.com/2013/06/24/pf/emergency-savings/index.html?iid=Lead

[antigop]

6. and you NEVER mention what your deductible/coinsurance/max OOP is, do you? nt

[graham4anything]

8. ACTUALLY, on aetna it was plan a, now it's the much better plan c

therefore, my deductible is less, so anything I spend is less

and self employed is 100% out of pocket

(whereas corporate health care takes a wee amount out of each check, and the company pays most, that is TAX FREE benefit, that most people don't even realize they are getting a freebee for nothing.

All people should have healthcare.

And the older one gets, the more it is needed.

And of course, wellness. As the slogan says, "An apple a day keeps the doctor's bill away".

[antigop]

9. Yep...you still won't post what it is.. Thanks for proving my point. nt

[graham4anything]

11. It went from 50/50 to now its 70/30 (when bills are sent in) saving even more

plus it has a medicine plan too (whereas before we paid 100% of all medicine)

So it went from 3450x12 to 1500x12. $1950 a month

I know those against the President want to hush this up.

Tens of millions of self-employed will benefit big time.

And it will only get better as the years go on.

[antigop]

12. still haven't posted the info.. Thanks again for proving my point. nt

[graham4anything]

13. You are asking for numbers that depend on if one is ill or not.

It was $15,000 on Aetna, now $2500 plus $2500 now=$5000, meaning another $10000 in saving.
That is huge.
and it is all out of pocket.

Same will be in all states in January(possibly in the late fall).

Sorry for the inconvient truth.

As you were rude, not going to respond to your other posts.

Have a happy 4th of July!

[antigop]

14. Nope..a deductible is a deductible. A max OOP is a max OOP. Thanks again for proving my point. nt

[graham4anything]

17. Hillary's will be even better as she will have an 80-20 by 2017 to enact. Groovy you bet!

[antigop]

19. still haven't answered. Nice try. nt

[antigop]

16. insurance isn't any good if you can't afford to use it. nt

[Igel]

15. High risk.

I'm not. Last year my plan went away. It wasn't in accord with the new requirements it was too expensive for my employer to run it. We got lumped in with a much larger cohort.

The closest new plan was considerably more expensive. Considerably. Even with a higher deductible. I took a mid-year pay cut for it.

At the end of that year another plan went away. The next enrollment period is early next summer and the plans must be in full compliance before then. My plan continued.

However it saw a hefty increase in premiums. My take-home pay will go down over $150/month. Good thing there's that 3.5 to 4% COLA increase and a step increase because of another year's service time to keep my pay decrease from being any larger.

Somebody has to pay for the benefits. The calculation is that enough people will get stuff that they'll change their mind and think it's great; we'll call that glee at getting "altruism" and this calculation "moral." Those who pay significantly more will probably, on balance, not be so gleeful, but we can call their displeasure at paying more "selfishness." Altruism is good, selfishness is bad, what's the problem?