Mayor Bloomberg and The Pepsi Generation --his BAN on 32 oz size sodas coming! Holy Prohibition!
If you are in NYC and watching the Super Bowl this weekend, this might
be the last time you can order a refill and get a Coke and a smile!
larger then 16 oz.'s will go into effect, which will limit you to one Coke or
a $200 fine.
It appears that Mayor Bloomberg thinks the Pepsi Generation's explosion
of Type II Diabetes, is now his obligation and even if "I'm a Pepper and
you feel like a Pepper"...you probably look way too much like a potato.
I appreciate the Mayor is concerned about my widening waistline, but I much
prefer he focus on widening the lanes on the Long Island Expressway!
People voted for Mr. Bloomberg to worry about alternate side of the street
parking, if they wanted to choose an alternative lifestyle they would have
purchased a weight loss program from Richard Simmons.
I personally want a Mayor to know how to clean my streets...not my colon!
Obesity is a serious problem with serious consequences, but our culture of
over indulgence is not limited to overeating...but a competitive lifestyle
where "Bigger is always Better".
Who has the biggest building, cruise ships are bigger than certain zip codes,
and planes are so big it takes you longer to find your seat than to get to your
destination! Is it really a surprise that our ass in the seats are so much bigger
too?!
Soon our luggage will go back to flying for free and they will charge our ticket
on how much we weigh per pound!
But this challenge cannot be overcome by changing a law...but by changing a
culture!
Modern Science may reduce our cravings or the calories we consume, but we
should not try to reduce someone's waistline... by reducing their "Rights".
They tried that once before...it was called Prohibition...and it didn't stop
drinking but started another cultural phenomenon... called the Mafia.
Just as we fight so hard everyday for a woman to have the right to choose
to actually be pregnant or not...if someone wants to eat enough to look pregnant
all of the time...than God bless Krispy Kreme and 32 oz. sodas to help them do so!
Laws are meant to stop us from hurting other people...they are much less influential
in stopping us from hurting ourselves.
have the "Right" to choose which one we prefer!
One can argue that seat belt laws and motorcycle helmets are examples where a
law has saved lives, when a culture had failed to do so...but we did not pass a law
that required someone to wear a seat belt only in certain cars or helmets on only
certain motorcycles to protect against only a certain type of accident!
Calories is the enemy here...and sugar in sodas is only one of the culprits. Unless
we are willing to ban sugar altogether...than this selective and arbitrary choice
to choose this one product and this one ingredient...becomes more harmful as a
a restriction of "Our Rights" than a benefit to our health!
Will carbohydrates be appearing soon before Judge Judy? Should we be legislating
how many pieces of bacon will be allowed on a Bacon Cheeseburger? Are we over-
reaching here even if we can't put our arms around our waist?
To truly tackle obesity, wouldn't our children be better served by offering them
more physical education classes instead of french fries and milkshakes in the
school cafeteria?
Sometimes the natural law of education, warning labels and the consequences of our
actions are our best guides...and if that doesn't work...I wouldn't bet against Mayor
Bloomberg's passion and philanthropic effort...to make sure it does!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/02/1184116/-Mayor-Bloomberg-and-the-Pepsi-Generation
http://www.politicalpizza.net/2013/02/mayor-bloomberg-and-pepsi-generation.html
Enrique
(27,461 posts)no one's going to get a $200 fine for buying a large soda.
PoliticalPizza
(54 posts)The $200 fine will begin in June.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/23/us-sodaban-lawsuit-idUSBRE90M1AJ20130123
Squinch
(50,955 posts)It says the stores can't sell it.
Lots of those stores can't sell beer either. Or wine. Or gasoline. Or mutual funds. Or guns. Or insurance. Or prescription drugs. Or sudafed. Or, or, or.
Gosh. There are lots of things restaurants and fast food places can't sell by law. Always have been. And yet, no one has called "Nanny State", until the very powerful soda companies were inconvenienced. What a coincidence!
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)Nobody needs 48 ounces seeing a 90-120 minute movie along with a refill
that is 12 8 ounce glasses in 2 hours
and if you drink that much, that would seem like alot of bathroom breaks and you miss the movie
It is about time someone went up against the NRA with money and publicity.
bravo mayor Mike, the great equalizer
nick of time
(651 posts)Isn't that up to the individual to decide that, and not some 1% asshole?
Your adoration of someone like Bloomberg is disturbing to say the least.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)and I applaud Michelle Obama and Mayor Mike on their wellness
because taxpayers pay for bad habits
and because 90% of the public used to smoke
symbolic talking against cigarettes has gotten 90% to not smoke
it's not like you can't drink 96 ounces
just buy 3 32 ounce ones
Or one 2 liter bottle.
but stopping and thinking means you save the calories
btw-buy a diet, its zero calories
or drink water
and people can't drive without seatbelts
wellness saves lives
and no, this is a collective society. We are all in this world together
the lives Mike saves could be my own
96 ounces of soda for a 2 hour movie?
Audacious.
btw, Vice President Obama, Gabbie Giffords and Mike Bloomberg made for a great cover of Time Magazine.
All on the same team.
nick of time
(651 posts)to determine what size soda they want? Not some 1%.
Here's my prediction, his authortarian bullshit ban won't survive the coming court challenge, and rightly so.
It's an individual choice and that's why it'll be struck down by the courts.
I have a big problem with some 1% telling people whats good for them and then enforcing their will by passing stupid laws that aren't effective in any way.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)and NO someone driving 100 mph in a 55 mph zone cannot do what they want
48 ounce sodas are as wreckless as say voting for a third party candidate in a presidential election
imho feel free to disagree
the companies who want to overturn it in the courts, are the 1% who want to continue to sell junk
at what point does ones concern for the 1%/99% do you not realize that?
and saving $100000 on ones health care bill, buys alot of time
instead of frivioulous drinks
btw, drink diet soda
48 ounces is 6 x 130
so one is having 780 calories in a meal extra than not having it
stupid is wasting all those calories
I welcome a nanny state, because people can't control themselves
God Bless Mayor Mike-his mom lived to 102
the right living worked well for her
and she was alert and wonderful up to the end
you are what you eat after all
and we all live in the same universe
and the USA is the #1 most obese country in the world
going overseas, that is the first thing I noticed
nick of time
(651 posts)Well, that says all I need to know about you. You favor less freedom of individual choice and more govt. control of our lives.
Let me guess, you favor the Patriot Act, the Terrorist Watch List, the No Fly List, Warrantless Eavesdropping?
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)obesity is in alot of cases an addiction to food
(there are other causes, but I am referring to those that are obese because of their diet, and of course there are reasons people eat.
I for one used to smoke 1983 or 4 I quit cold turkey
never missed it
but I did gain weight
No excuse, just stupidity
but well, self-help groups are welcome thing to me
and people helping each other are important
when one wants to drink, they go to AA
and all the people around them help them
the nanny state means someone is trying to help
JFK and Bloomberg and Michelle Obama all three are the three biggest USA people to be for wellness
and every dollar saved buying a larger soda, every calorie saved, most likely leads $$$ to $$ to lower insurance and hospital bills
and in the end each person probably can save tens of thousands hundreds of thousands of dollars
who wouldn't want that?
who wouldn't want to buy 48 minutes more of life, instead of another 48 ounce soda?
nick of time
(651 posts)but that should be my choice, not some 1%'s choice.
How far are you willing to let the nanny state choose whats best for you?
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)I am not scared of oblique things
I am scared of guns by private people, guns by rightwing extremists, the NRA
and going to a movie and having one of those gun people in the theatre like in Colorado
I am not afraid at the airport anymore
I was.
one day at a time
betting the world, one day at a time
I admit, I need help
as I am an addict or cheese and soda
and I need help all the time so I can say
no retreat no surrender from wellness
and as Kristofferson sang(C), freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose
and dying from a massive heart attack, diabetes, cancer means being free from all rules and regulations and nannies.
therefore I want to be here
and not 6 feet under and have all that freedom and time in the afterworld
funny how decades later, age and wisdom made me see that Kristofferson was not singing about in the 1960s what I thought.
He was singing about the exact opposite of the meaning I used to have in my mind
(and Mr. Kristofferson himself went through a few wellness programs and surgeries.
and thank God and Kristofferson that he is still here, check out his latest album just released.
and he managed to keep his voice too, proverbially speaking of course.
nick of time
(651 posts)graham4anything
(11,464 posts)you asked how far
I answered, one day at a time
nick of time
(651 posts)graham4anything
(11,464 posts)why does Hey Jude last 7 plus minutes?
without the last 6:59 there is no classic
(as an example, I am not comparring myself to the beatles,
but since the Beatles were brought up
a gun in the street and some bullets took away John Lennon
it's the columbo effect
a bumbling response has a line that becomes a pesty important sentence
nick of time
(651 posts)But your rambling posts really put people off sometimes and your message is sometimes lost in translation.
Just a little friendly advice.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)everything in politics ends up cause and effect
nick of time
(651 posts)but a lot of people will just look at your posts and not even bother to read them because of the rambling nature of them and then your message doesn't get the attention it might be due.
But if this is how you want to do so, have at it, like I said, just a little friendly advice.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)is water, that is all anybody needs. They should not be able to sell anything except what is required for survival
nick of time
(651 posts)Some Bloomberg wanna be may take you seriously.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Guess people will simply double up on buying a case of canned soda.
or 2-3 16 oz cups at 7-11.
I can thnk of numerous ways to get around the law*, so can soft drink vendors.
*said with irony since I don't drink any sodas.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)think instead of drinking 780 calories in a meal or a movie
what a waste of calories
if one is on a 1500-2000 day calorie, and drinks a 48 ounce soda
sheesh, it's impossible to do
zbdent
(35,392 posts)(and really piss off the RWers when he/she revealed later he/she was a LIB!)
NYtoBush-Drop Dead
(490 posts)I cannot wait until bloom crap goes. AND I will vote for ANYONE who says they'll rip up the godforsaken bike paths! AND I ride a bike in NYC!!!!
Squinch
(50,955 posts)very glad to see him go.
But about the sodas? I just can't disagree with him.
Igel
(35,320 posts)Odd thing is, many mothers are into controlling their kids and insisting that the apron strings not be cut.
Teenage rebellion is both rebellion against the smothering that "nurturing" becomes in the "hands" of many mothers as well as against the overbearing authoritarianism that setting limits can turn into.
Both are good, in the right place and in the right amount.
Both are pernicious and harmful in the wrong place or when taken to excess.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)If you want to buy soda 32 oz soda all you have to do is buy two 16 oz cups. Now suppose I do that and they try to ticket me for $200. The cop is standing right outside 7-11 (or whatever store you'd like to imagine). How do they know whether I'm buying two cups for myself or one cup for another person? So my buddy is standing outside and after the cop walks up to me and starts writing the ticket my buddy asks what's going on and while the cop is writing me a ticket he takes his soda out of my hand.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)first off 7-11 is NOT one of the places, so you could buy a 100 ounce if you wish at 7-11
and NOTHING stops you from buying 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, 32 ounce or 16 ounce at all
NOTHING stops you from buying 100 two liter bottles in a supermarket
you miss the whole point
However, why would you need 48 and a refill in 90 minutes?
Nobody is going to ticket you buying it.
Again, everything in your theory here is 100% false.
It has NO basis in the law whatsoever, nor is it a point.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Also, who cares why somebody wants a large soda. I think its none of my business. If the demand wasn't there, people wouldn't sell it, so obviously people want to buy a large soda.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)but all they are doing is one day closer to a heart attack\
if something isn't in front of them, they don't see it, then don't demand it
and it saves alot of people's money.
especially on future health care
not to mention, this helps the poorest save the most in many ways
from saving the difference between a 32 and 48, and then tens of thousands of future health care bills
and the price of healthcare is everybody's business
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Which is why we need the government to tell us what to do.
If you feel this way, why don't we also close KFC, McDonalds, etc. we can have a subway on every block, they can walk in and get the oven roasted chicken, on wheat. No cheese or mayo. What a utopia!
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)I take things one day at a time.
and I welcome all the help I can into not gaining weight.
every ounce counts.
Sometimes kids think they are immortal.
and like every other addiction, food and soda is an addiction too.
You know how much sugar is in a 48 ounce soda
all those future dentist bills
and for what?
I used to drink 48 ounce sodas and have a tub of popcorn.
Now I don't eat popcorn at all, and only have diet sodas.
Why not go to the market and have a salad with no dressing.
zero calories, You can eat all you want.
lettuce, tomatoes, celery,
and have a few pickles. Zero calories.
and if salt is not a problem add olives or anchoives.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)since it only applies to restaurants, mobile food carts, delis and concessions at movie theaters, stadiums or arenas from selling sugary drinks in cups or containers larger than 16 ounces. Allowing people to buy more than one drink also makes it toothless. As far as the theater I can smuggle in two 16 oz drinks (I've gotten caught once in my life and I believe that's the time when I was 16 and we had the video camera too, not too smart).
Watch this all the way through:
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)and some people need and want a little help and a nudge.
there will always be those that abuse their bodies in one form or another
For 100s of years AA has been there
Alot of people don't want or need their services
but some do
you can never tell someone to do wellness
it is ingrown
you have to do it yourself and want to do it
and this is truly a bottom's up campaign.
because those with the least, get helped the most
with wellness, there is no end in sight
it is 24/7/365
and of course, one has to be vigillant
because any setback can reverse all that was worked for
A healthy person they say should have around 2000 calories a day
130 calories in an 8 ounce coke.
780 calories in a 48 ounce coke for a 90 minute or 2 hour movie.
Which means one can if on a 2000 calorie a day diet,then have
1220 calories in the other 22 hour day.
But everyone indeed is free to do as they please.
I myself am happy when someone gives me a sneer if I attempt to break my diet.
I welcome all help, and all nannies.
With friends, things are a little easier.
And I used to smoke until around 1984.
Sometimes I think of how much money I saved since then.
I have no idea what cigarettes cost, but if one smokes a pack a day,one can save thousands of dollars a year if one doesn't partake.
I just googled. Is a pack of cigarettes now $13.00?
sheesh.
13x7=91bucks a week x52=4732 bucks a year.
WOW.
I am saving $4732 a year.
In 20 years, that has been then about $100,000 saved.
If I make it another 20 years, another $100,000 minimum.
and I am an addict so I know what I speak.
an addict of coke and cheese for too many decades.
now diet coke and water and fat free or weight watchers cheese.
Wish I had a nanny 20 years ago so the option wasn't in front of me.
Because people told me and I didn't listen, and i reached for what was in front of me.
Had it not been there, I would at least have had to slow down a little.
96 ounces in a two hour movie is IMHO to me personally something I can no longer fathom
one day at a time. ounce by ounce. pound by pound.
for the rest of my life.
wellness never ends.
no retreat no surrender
and years ago people didn't wear seatbelts, and helmets when going bicycling.
and it is a proven fact nationwide that driving 55 saves lives over driving 85.
Because everyone can't do it on their own.
Those that are lucky can. But everyone is not.
IMHO
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Screw talking about cigarettes and cars, we are talking specifically about soda.
If they added convenience stores (I'm talking about the cups) into the bill it would make more sense (I would still be opposed, but I'm looking at it logically in terms of what it would take to make it effective). Sure you can enforce it in the limited number of places listed (I believe it was movie theaters, restaurants, and snack stands) but when you can go across the street to 7-11 and buy a 64oz Coke it's called a slight inconvenience.
Again, it's a toothless law that makes no sense.
We'll see if the courts uphold it. I'd bet some of the theaters and restaurants will challenge the law.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)kaiserhog
(167 posts)Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)I will say that drink sizes have gotten ridiculous, now when you order a medium drink at some places they give you a monster 32 ounce cup. When I was a kid a small drink was 8-12 ounces and a medium was 16-20 ounces, today you can't even get the 12 ounce drink and a 20 ounce is a small. I know of at least one major chain that does not even offer their customers anything less than 32 ounces now, it is absolutely ridiculous and it is time for the restaurant industry to police themselves better if they want to avoid these sorts of laws.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)I realize that you are paying a bit more than 16 oz drink would but probably less than .25 cents difference. Or if you don't like their policy, don't go there, and let corporate know why. If they loose enough business, they will change their policy.
I don't know why so many people want the government to hold their hand on such trivial matters.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)Nowhere did I suggest that I want government to hold my hand so please spare the codescending attitude.
Businesses however should be more responsible than to take actions that they know will be very harmful to their customers health, the people who are making these decisions are costing us billions in public health costs.
I think a tax would be more effective than a ban. Allow places to sell more than 16 ounces, but tax each ounce past 16 ounces at a penny an ounce and past 32 ounces at 2 cents an ounce. Right now a big part of the reason people buy the large sizes is they are a better value, if you make it a better value to buy a small people will drink less. This is not about the government holding anyone's hand, this is about facing the reality that unhealthy habits do cost our society money and a tax would help pay those costs.