Can Obama save manufacturing?
By Zachary A. Goldfarb, Washington Post, 7/14/12
As he campaigns for reelection, President Obama has embraced soaring political rhetoric, pledging to harness the ingenuity of America to bring manufacturing back. In beat-up factory towns across the land, he has promoted a vision to rebuild manufacturing after decades of shuttered plants and vanishing middle class jobs.
But he wasnt always so sure. Three years ago, confronting the issue in an Oval Office debate, Obama was less of the chest-thumping politician he is today. Vice President Biden led a group of advisers who were making the case for an ambitious plan to reverse the industrys long decline.
Obama had witnessed the devastation of lost factory jobs from his earliest days as a community activist in Chicago and felt in his gut that there must be some way to help, but the president, a policy wonk and onetime professor, also wanted to know what the research showed.
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Today, Obama has settled that conflict in favor of manufacturing, a decision explained by politics, economics and the presidents trust in his own instincts, according to interviews with more than 30 current and former Obama advisers and others whove worked with the White House on manufacturing.
As he mulled whether to adopt policies to try to reverse manufacturings long decline, critics said, Obama risked allowing even more jobs to go overseas. The vast majority of manufacturing jobs lost in the recession have not come back and today there are still fewer jobs in the sector than when Obama took office.
But now Obama is a man on a mission, pursuing major tax breaks for manufacturers, loans to help sell manufactured goods overseas, tougher trade enforcement to protect U.S. industries from foreign competition, investments in clean energy, high-tech manufacturing clusters and a range of other policies.
full: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/can-obama-save-manufacturing/2012/07/13/gJQAe2zxhW_singlePage.html
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)How did these other "free-trade" agreements work out for U.S. manufacturing?
1994 - North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)
2001 - Jordan United States Free Trade Agreement
2004 - Australia-United States Free Trade Agreement
2004 - Chile - United States Free Trade Agreement
2004 - Singapore United States Free Trade Agreement
2005 - Dominican RepublicCentral America Free Trade Agreement (DR-CAFTA; incl. Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, and the Dominican Republic)
2006 - Bahrain United States Free Trade Agreement
2006 - Morocco - United States Free Trade Agreement
2006 - Oman United States Free Trade Agreement
2007 - Peru United States Trade Promotion Agreement
2011 - Panama - United States Trade Promotion Agreement
2011 - Colombia - United States Trade Promotion Agreement
2011 - Republic of Korea (South Korea) - United States Free Trade Agreement
And what is going to happen when the next job-transferring "free-trade" agreement is signed?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/13/obama-trade-document-leak_n_1592593.html
sad sally
(2,627 posts)"This one could be the end, because what they intend to do is leave it open, once its done, for any other country to join. So, this is an agreement that ultimately could have the whole world in it as a set of binding corporate guarantees of new rights and privileges, enforced with cash sanctions and trade sanctions. It is not an exaggeration to say that the TPP threatens to become a regime of binding global governance..."
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)unreviewable decisions that will affect all of us.
They will not be bound by any laws nor have any loyalty to the populace of any country.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)AdHocSolver
(2,561 posts)Outsourcing of manufacturing jobs will continue unabated.
Their recipe for increasing manufacturing in the U.S. is right out of the corporate playbook. The proposed incentives all amount to subsidizing corporate profits to bribe them to "create" jobs. This will serve merely to reduce tax revenue from corporations rather than increase it, which will have the effect of increasing the deficit.
These so-called "free trade" agreements are nothing but corporate-designed cartel agreements to eliminate competition by granting exclusive marketing privileges to the major participants.
These alleged "solutions" will not do anything to protect consumers or workers or the environment. There sole purpose is to continue to stifle real competition and enable corporations to avoid what little taxes they currently pay.
The best way to help the U.S. economy is to rewrite the tax code to take the profit out of outsourcing jobs and hiding money in offshore tax havens.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)we're still the largest industrial producer in the world.
It just doesn't employ a lot of people anymore due to advances in technology.
So industry is doing fine (while, not particularly worse in this economy than any other sector).
We just need to find work for a bunch of blue collar types that have been replaced by machines.
AdHocSolver
(2,561 posts)The main U.S. economic problem is NOT how much the U.S. produces relative to other countries.
The main U.S. economic problem is the fact that a gigantic proportion of what Americans consume that could, and should be, manufactured here, is made in other countries and imported here by "borrowing" money from the countries that sell us the stuff. This problem is popularly known as the trade deficit, and it is a much bigger problem for the U.S. than the government deficits.
In fact, the trade deficit is the main cause of the government deficits since unemployed American workers don't pay income taxes. Moreover, corporations involved in outsourcing have multiple ways to avoid U.S. taxes (anybody hear of Bain Capital?).
As for automation being the main cause of American unemployment, the sweat shops in China, such as FoxConn, and in India, Vietnam, and in U.S. prisons, belie that claim.
The loss of manufacturing in the U.S. is mainly due to the cartel agreements devised by the largest corporations to divide the world into fiefdoms to prevent competition in manufacturing and trade.
Rewrite the tax code and renegotiate the trade agreements to enable American manufacturers who want to produce goods here a chance to compete, and the most serious American economic problems will eventually disappear.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)The main U.S. economic problem is NOT how much the U.S. produces relative to other countries.
Find where I said that was our main economic problem.
The main U.S. economic problem is the fact that a gigantic proportion of what Americans consume that could, and should be, manufactured here, is made in other countries and imported here by "borrowing" money from the countries that sell us the stuff. This problem is popularly known as the trade deficit, and it is a much bigger problem for the U.S. than the government deficits.
We borrow money from other countries to fund our government deficits. Trade deficits work a bit differently.
As for automation being the main cause of American unemployment, the sweat shops in China, such as FoxConn, and in India, Vietnam, and in U.S. prisons, belie that claim.
I never said it was the main cause of all unemployment in the US. I said increased productivity was responsible for declines in employment in manufacturing.
The loss of manufacturing in the U.S. is mainly due to the cartel agreements devised by the largest corporations to divide the world into fiefdoms to prevent competition in manufacturing and trade.
Yeah I'm sure it has nothing to do with this:
Rewrite the tax code and renegotiate the trade agreements to enable American manufacturers who want to produce goods here a chance to compete, and the most serious American economic problems will eventually disappear.
So we should "spend" our money (via tax breaks and incentives) to ensure that everything is produced internally?
That is known as an autarky and there is not a single industrialized modern nation that has practiced it successfully:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autarky
Why do you think we trade at all if we could simply produce everything here? Because it works out to be cheaper to let others specialize in some things so we can focus on other areas where we do better.
AdHocSolver
(2,561 posts)You said:
"we're still the largest industrial producer in the world.
It just doesn't employ a lot of people anymore due to advances in technology."
That is irrelevant to the fact that the U.S. economy is in a hole. The trade deficit is the U.S. economy's biggest problem. for an economy to function properly, a majority of what Americans spend must go to support other Americans' livelihoods, not leave the country. An economy is like the cooling system in a car and money is the coolant in the system. Coolant circulates from the radiator to the engine and back to the radiator. The huge import surplus (the trade deficit) is like a hole in the radiator. The coolant (the money) is leaking out and the engine will eventually overheat and be ruined unless the hole is repaired.
Fixing the economy requires plugging the leak which means taking the excess profiteering out of outsourcing jobs.
You said:
"We borrow money from other countries to fund our government deficits. Trade deficits work a bit differently."
If Americans produced most of the goods that we purchased, they would pay income taxes and we wouldn't have to borrow money from other countries to run our governments. If companies made the goods that we buy here, rather than in foreign countries, they wouldn't be able to so easily avoid paying their fair share of taxes and we wouldn't have to borrow money to run our governments.
you said:
"I never said it was the main cause of all unemployment in the US. I said increased productivity was responsible for declines in employment in manufacturing."
The point of my statement was that millions of American jobs were transferred to foreign low-wage countries and the loss of those jobs was not due to automation. In fact, as fast as new technology is developed, our corporations transfer the new technology to China and other low-wage countries.
you said:
"So we should "spend" our money (via tax breaks and incentives) to ensure that everything is produced internally?"
This is precisely the opposite of what I implied about changing the tax code and the trade agreements. Changes need to be made to take the profit out of what the multinational corporations currently do to profit from plundering America.
I downloaded and scanned the original document published by the White House. It is much more complex than summarized in the original statement and further summarized in this quote. Your quote amounts to a simplification of a simplification and sounds like more "trickle down" economics, that is, give tax breaks to the rich to get them to be "job creators".
The administration plan appears to address many of those concerns. However, the trade agreements currently being pushed by the Administration, which I have read about here and elsewhere, seem to be premised on a fallacy, and this could exacerbate rather than alleviate our economic problems.
This fallacy is that the U.S. can manufacture enough goods for export to counteract the huge amount of goods already imported. Without cotrols being put in place beforehand, incentives to manufacture here will be overshadowed by the greater profits to be made by offshoring.
In any case, the severity of our current economic problems is not due to automation.
BT021
(34 posts)perhaps he thinks he will soon have 60 votes in the
Senate again, or something else?
please be as specific as you can