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nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
Sun Apr 7, 2019, 04:30 AM Apr 2019

The Boeing scandal is an indictment of Trump's corporate America

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/07/boeing-737-max-regulation-corporate-america

The Boeing scandal is an indictment of Trump’s corporate America

Will Hutton

Sun 7 Apr 2019 08.59 BST

America First nationalism, indulgent free market economics, Republican libertarianism and a political system in hock to corporate lobbying has just contributed to killing 356 innocent people. The more we know about the crashes of Boeing 737 Max 8 planes in Indonesia and Ethiopia – after anti-stalling devices locked both aircraft into unrecoverable nose-dives – the more shocking the story becomes.
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The story begins in 2011. Europe’s new Airbus 320neo, with its superb fuel efficiency and low operating costs, had picked up 667 orders at the Paris air show, a record for a commercial aircraft. Worse, American Airlines had done the unthinkable: it had ordered 130 of the new Airbus and 130 of the older one. Boeing’s relationship with American was foundational: it could always rely on the airline for its bedrock business, an insider, all-American affair. Now American had dared to buy European in unprecedented volumes: it was a competitive necessity to match rival airlines. Boeing had to respond. But instead of developing a whole new plane that could carry heavier, fuel-efficient engines, it made the fateful decision to bolt them on to a variant of its 737 series. Since the days of Orville and Wilbur Wright, the key to safe flying has been to organise the pitch of the plane so that its aerodynamics work to prevent stalling, a complex interrelationship between the angle and shape of wings, the distribution of weight and the power of the engines. If you intend to use a heavier, more fuel-efficient engine, it will throw everything out of kilter. Essentially, you have to design a new plane.

Boeing’s initial and correct reaction had been to commit to just that, but the process is enormously expensive and takes up to 10 years. The company had to react faster and keep its share price up, so the Max 8 was born, going into service in 2017. The technical problem was obvious. With heavier engines, the pitch of a plane with wholly different dynamics could be disturbed in some flying conditions. Hence the sensor in the front of the plane that would recognise changes in pitch and automatically adjust the wings to keep the plane stable, not in principle a bad idea, but one that requires hyper-reliability and a way for pilots to override the system when necessary.

In the world of aerospace, such judgment calls should have required an entire recertification process and verification by a third party. That did not happen. For decades, regulation in the US has been hamstrung by the libertarian charge that government is inefficient and always wrong, taxes are a coercive infringement of individual liberty, and regulation inhibits private sector dynamism. The Federal Aviation Authority has an enviable technical reputation, but over the past decade it has suffered from successive budget cuts and government shutdowns as the Republican party has waged war on federal spending and federal agencies. Donald Trump, before the crashes, said he wanted to privatise the agency and scale it back even more.

In order to function at all, the FAA has had to delegate regulation to airlines and manufacturers – the fox looking after the chicken coop. Essentially, Boeing decided that the Max 8 did not need recertification and this decision was not challenged by the FAA. Moreover, Boeing undertook much of the safety work itself without any independent review, although as yet the outside world does not know to what degree. What we do know is that 1,000 Boeing employees are seconded to the FAA. Boeing then decided to market the Max 8 as part of the 737 family rather than as a plane with wholly different flight characteristics and a new automated software system that, crucially, did not allow pilots to override in an emergency using standard, practised techniques. Instead, they would need special training, which was not offered or provided.
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The Boeing scandal is an indictment of Trump's corporate America (Original Post) nitpicker Apr 2019 OP
Let's be real. It's an indictment of Reagan's Corporate America. bitterross Apr 2019 #1
Precisely Sherman A1 Apr 2019 #5
Tinkle Down! modrepub Apr 2019 #10
The 737 Max planes should only fly watoos Apr 2019 #2
I live near an airport and don't want these things Sherman A1 Apr 2019 #7
The Boeing problem isn't a software problem. It is an inherent physical design problem democratisphere Apr 2019 #3
Precisely Sherman A1 Apr 2019 #6
And corporate greed. Lonestarblue Apr 2019 #8
American Healthcare is a victim of the same outrageous greed. democratisphere Apr 2019 #9
Half assed engineering, yes. JayhawkSD Apr 2019 #13
If the product a company manufactures can't perform its' intended democratisphere Apr 2019 #14
I'm trying to imagine a legal strategy for defending Boeing in wrongful deaths lawsuits. Girard442 Apr 2019 #4
I feel the FAA and Congress should be held to account as well..... KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2019 #11
The Boeing 737 Max 8 first flew Jan 29, 2016 JayhawkSD Apr 2019 #12
The blame really belongs to the previous CEO Jim McNerney dalton99a Apr 2019 #15
This. Is. Criminal. AwakeAtLast Apr 2019 #16
Kick and rec. love_katz Apr 2019 #17
 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
1. Let's be real. It's an indictment of Reagan's Corporate America.
Sun Apr 7, 2019, 04:32 AM
Apr 2019

Trump is but a symptom and current holder of the office.

This whole problem started long ago. It started with Reagan and trickle-down.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
5. Precisely
Sun Apr 7, 2019, 07:36 AM
Apr 2019

You have hit the nail squarely on the head. This started long, long ago. As much as I would love to blame Trump for this, he simply isn’t all that sharp to get this thing so screwed up in two years.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
2. The 737 Max planes should only fly
Sun Apr 7, 2019, 06:46 AM
Apr 2019

Republicans and employees from the M$M.

Fuck me, I know nothing about this cluster fuck, but I'm pretty sure that a software update isn't going to cure the major problem with these planes. These planes are FUBAR.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
7. I live near an airport and don't want these things
Sun Apr 7, 2019, 07:39 AM
Apr 2019

In the air and potentially coming down on my neighborhood.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
3. The Boeing problem isn't a software problem. It is an inherent physical design problem
Sun Apr 7, 2019, 07:13 AM
Apr 2019

caused by half-assed engineering and horrible quality control.

Lonestarblue

(10,013 posts)
8. And corporate greed.
Sun Apr 7, 2019, 07:50 AM
Apr 2019

Wall Street, and increasingly hedge fund managers, make the decisions for big corporations. If something interferes with the piepline of ever more profits for CEOs and wealthy shareholders, it has to go. I read somewhere recently that it was hedge fund managers who forced the closure of the Lordstown auto plant because it wasn’t delivering enough profit. Who cares if 1300 people lost their jobs!

The power of corporations over our government and the power of Wall Street over business decisions have to change. A balance has to be found between decent profits and rapacious behavior by Wall Street managers and shareholders. One start would be to makes changes in the way members of Boards of Directors are chosen. They’re too often all rich people who want to preserve their wealth at the expense of good business decisions. Where is labor on those boards? Environmentalists? Product safety representatives?

A second change is to the way CEOs are compensated. The US far overcompensates top executives as compared with similarly sized international businesses. The lame excuse that such compensation is needed to recruit talent is just that—an excuse. We had talented executives before this bonus system was created. Yes, they need to be paid well, but greed has now replaced fiscal responsibility as a primary motive for business decisions. Operating expenses too high this year? Lay off a thousand workers and you’ll still get your bonus. Never mind that the remaining workforce has to pick up the slack for those thousand workers. It’s no wonder that middle class workers are so frustrated by government today. Unfortunately, far too many of them buy into the Republican mantra of low taxes instead of really learning about and analyzing the effect of libertarian policies pushed by the Republican Party and their corporate donors.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
9. American Healthcare is a victim of the same outrageous greed.
Sun Apr 7, 2019, 07:59 AM
Apr 2019

Extremely high cost with horrendously low performance. America has become a corporate failed nation and it only continues to get worse.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
13. Half assed engineering, yes.
Sun Apr 7, 2019, 10:03 AM
Apr 2019

At least marginally so. It was a case that the engineering department allowed the financial department to override them and force them to make decisions that they knew to be unsound. A good engineer would have resigned before he created an aerodynamically unstable passenger aircraft.

Horrible quality control? I think not. They attempted to offset bad engineering with software. That wasn't going to work regardless of quality.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
14. If the product a company manufactures can't perform its' intended
Sun Apr 7, 2019, 10:10 AM
Apr 2019

function without a high probability of failure, the quality control department also failed miserably.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
11. I feel the FAA and Congress should be held to account as well.....
Sun Apr 7, 2019, 09:50 AM
Apr 2019

for multiple right-wing Congressional budget cuts and the FAA being a willing accomplice for passing the certification process off to manufacturers.

We need not only to be wary of the quality of new aircraft, but also the regular maintenance standards that could be made more lax, which affects all aircraft - old and new.

And, if Republicans get away with privatizing the FAA, I don't ever want to travel by air again. We might also make note that most all plutocrats and many of our top politicians travel only by private jet......

The public needs to be made totally aware of how this failure came about.....

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
12. The Boeing 737 Max 8 first flew Jan 29, 2016
Sun Apr 7, 2019, 09:57 AM
Apr 2019

The first delivery to a commercial carrier was May 2017, four months after Trump was inaugurated. That means FAA certification happened long before Trump was elected.

Before you start flaming me, I despise Trump and am not defending him or his policies. I voted for his opponent and for Obama twice. I live in the real world, however, and cannot blame Trump for everything that is wrong in the world, especially not for things that happened before he was elected.

dalton99a

(81,516 posts)
15. The blame really belongs to the previous CEO Jim McNerney
Sun Apr 7, 2019, 10:47 AM
Apr 2019

and the guy who ran the 737 division, Ray Conner

love_katz

(2,580 posts)
17. Kick and rec.
Sun Apr 7, 2019, 01:52 PM
Apr 2019
Kicking for visibility. To me, the important part of this discussion is about corporate America and their undue influence and control of our government. That topic could use a thread all its own. I know that the subject comes up each day, but I don't think it can be emphasized often enough. I agree with the poster upthread who said that this all started with Ronnie Raygun (pun intended). Agolf Twitler is just a continuing symptom of the problems in our country. However, I know that tRump will never be on the side of solving any of them, rather he and his ilk will do everything possible to make them worse. Kudos for posting this thread.
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