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demmiblue

(36,853 posts)
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 07:11 AM Aug 2018

John Brennan: President Trump's Claims of No Collusion Are Hogwash

That’s why the president revoked my security clearance: to try to silence anyone who would dare challenge him.

When Alexander Bortnikov, the head of Russia’s internal security service, told me during an early August 2016 phone call that Russia wasn’t interfering in our presidential election, I knew he was lying. Over the previous several years I had grown weary of Mr. Bortnikov’s denials of Russia’s perfidy — about its mistreatment of American diplomats and citizens in Moscow, its repeated failure to adhere to cease-fire agreements in Syria and its paramilitary intervention in eastern Ukraine, to name just a few issues.

When I warned Mr. Bortnikov that Russian interference in our election was intolerable and would roil United States-Russia relations for many years, he denied Russian involvement in any election, in America or elsewhere, with a feigned sincerity that I had heard many times before. President Vladimir Putin of Russia reiterated those denials numerous times over the past two years, often to Donald Trump’s seeming approval.

Russian denials are, in a word, hogwash.

Before, during and after its now infamous meddling in our last presidential election, Russia practiced the art of shaping political events abroad through its well-honed active measures program, which employs an array of technical capabilities, information operations and old-fashioned human intelligence spycraft. Electoral politics in Western democracies presents an especially inviting target, as a variety of politicians, political parties, media outlets, think tanks and influencers are readily manipulated, wittingly and unwittingly, or even bought outright by Russian intelligence operatives. The very freedoms and liberties that liberal Western democracies cherish and that autocracies fear have been exploited by Russian intelligence services not only to collect sensitive information but also to distribute propaganda and disinformation, increasingly via the growing number of social media platforms.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/16/opinion/john-brennan-trump-russia-collusion-security-clearance.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
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John Brennan: President Trump's Claims of No Collusion Are Hogwash (Original Post) demmiblue Aug 2018 OP
Kick & Rec N_E_1 for Tennis Aug 2018 #1
Nice article. K&R. EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2018 #2
I just read somewhere, in the UK Guardian I think Timmygoat Aug 2018 #3
Awesome John Brennan. Keep bringing the guns. KPN Aug 2018 #4
It would be great if everyone did that. Butterflylady Aug 2018 #5
I never refer to Trump as "president"... Wounded Bear Aug 2018 #16
No he doesn't. I wish all of the media and KPN Aug 2018 #18
John Brennan is just stating the obvious. It is disheartening that so few prominent people are. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #6
Plausible deniability. BlueWI Aug 2018 #8
It's absurd to think that yanking anyone's clearance will "silence them" AZ8theist Aug 2018 #7
It's an attempt to discredit witnesses against Trump. It is meant to convey they can't be trusted. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #10
"hogwash" saidsimplesimon Aug 2018 #9
Every time FAKE president Trump says "no collusion", the news media must report NCjack Aug 2018 #11
Brennan: Trump worked with Russians and now he's desperate Botany Aug 2018 #12
No collusion? Racerdog1 Aug 2018 #13
To the top of the page Ohioboy Aug 2018 #14
Kick dalton99a Aug 2018 #15
K & R...for visibility...nt Wounded Bear Aug 2018 #17
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #19

N_E_1 for Tennis

(9,727 posts)
1. Kick & Rec
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 07:34 AM
Aug 2018

I’ll bet he’s still in the loop as much as possible. He’s too valuable for a temper tantrum to stop his advice.

Timmygoat

(779 posts)
3. I just read somewhere, in the UK Guardian I think
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 07:48 AM
Aug 2018

That the Kremlin is getting worried about the possibility of the dems taking control of congress, they say that Trump belongs to them!

KPN

(15,646 posts)
4. Awesome John Brennan. Keep bringing the guns.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 07:48 AM
Aug 2018

Gotta love his refusal to write President before the traitor’s surname.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
18. No he doesn't. I wish all of the media and
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 11:26 AM
Aug 2018

Dem elected officials would do the same. It would get to him eventually and he would do, tweet or say something publicly that would fully expose his mental illness to all — even the Rs.

SunSeeker

(51,559 posts)
6. John Brennan is just stating the obvious. It is disheartening that so few prominent people are.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 08:22 AM
Aug 2018

Their statements are always couched in qualifiers: "may have," "appears to," "evidence may show," etc.

How much more fucking evidence do people need besides the Trump Tower meeting? Or Trump's "Russia, if you're listening.." invitation?

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
8. Plausible deniability.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 08:31 AM
Aug 2018

The goal of everyone extralegal operation, especially when the con is happening in plain sight in the public sector.

It's a test of the political will and courage among the rest of us, citizens and electeds alike.

AZ8theist

(5,464 posts)
7. It's absurd to think that yanking anyone's clearance will "silence them"
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 08:30 AM
Aug 2018

These individuals are free to talk. And thankfully, Mr. Brennan is doing plenty of that.
Besides, Dotard is only hurting the whole nation by doing this. Current Intel operatives often call on retired ones in order to help with investigations. Pulling his clearance just makes this harder, but not impossible.

SunSeeker

(51,559 posts)
10. It's an attempt to discredit witnesses against Trump. It is meant to convey they can't be trusted.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 08:40 AM
Aug 2018

Pulling security clearances is also an intimidation tactic for current employees. Which is what Trump is doing with Ohr. https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211005218 No security clearance means no job.

In other words, Trump is committing witness tampering and obstruction of justice in plain sight. Again.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
9. "hogwash"
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 08:37 AM
Aug 2018

When the CIA Director Brennan allowed the CIA to participate in "enhanced interrogation" torture, I was one of his critics. There are other actions that I found disgraceful during his tenure. Now, I find myself supporting James Comey and John Brennan for doing their job, protecting the US from foreign influence and a criminal cartel in the White House.

President Obama included Director Brennan during the capture of Osama bin laden. I have no doubt the CIA, under Director Brennan delivered the goods to end that reign of terror. I should be ashamed to admit that it gave me great joy to hear that the terrorist who plotted 9/11 was fed to the fishes.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
11. Every time FAKE president Trump says "no collusion", the news media must report
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 08:42 AM
Aug 2018

that he said it, that is a lie, and give examples of his collusion.

Botany

(70,508 posts)
12. Brennan: Trump worked with Russians and now he's desperate
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 09:09 AM
Aug 2018

John Brennan, " ... his campaign colluded with the Russians to sway the 2016 election and is now desperate .... "


https://apnews.com/b8ecf72d127e42f99b877b791f08a357

 

Racerdog1

(808 posts)
13. No collusion?
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 09:29 AM
Aug 2018

The Orange Asshole is correct. It is not collusion, it is CONSPIRACY and TREASON against us. Take the appropriate actions NOW!

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