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Newsjock

(11,733 posts)
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 11:20 PM Mar 2012

Krugman: Trayvon Martin 'might finally place a spotlight on what ALEC is doing to our society'

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/26/opinion/krugman-lobbyists-guns-and-money.html

... Specifically, language virtually identical to Florida’s law is featured in a template supplied to legislators in other states by the American Legislative Exchange Council, a corporate-backed organization that has managed to keep a low profile even as it exerts vast influence (only recently, thanks to yeoman work by the Center for Media and Democracy, has a clear picture of ALEC’s activities emerged). And if there is any silver lining to Trayvon Martin’s killing, it is that it might finally place a spotlight on what ALEC is doing to our society — and our democracy.

... What this tells us, in turn, is that ALEC’s claim to stand for limited government and free markets is deeply misleading. To a large extent the organization seeks not limited government but privatized government, in which corporations get their profits from taxpayer dollars, dollars steered their way by friendly politicians. In short, ALEC isn’t so much about promoting free markets as it is about expanding crony capitalism.

... Think about that: we seem to be turning into a country where crony capitalism doesn’t just waste taxpayer money but warps criminal justice, in which growing incarceration reflects not the need to protect law-abiding citizens but the profits corporations can reap from a larger prison population.

Now, ALEC isn’t single-handedly responsible for the corporatization of our political life; its influence is as much a symptom as a cause. But shining a light on ALEC and its supporters — a roster that includes many companies, from AT&T and Coca-Cola to UPS, that have so far managed to avoid being publicly associated with the hard-right agenda — is one good way to highlight what’s going on. And that kind of knowledge is what we need to start taking our country back.
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Krugman: Trayvon Martin 'might finally place a spotlight on what ALEC is doing to our society' (Original Post) Newsjock Mar 2012 OP
ALEC - Front Men For Pernicious Corporations cantbeserious Mar 2012 #1
This is a fantastic article. Thank you. It explains a great deal. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #2
"ALEC and its supporters — a roster that includes many companies, from AT&T and Coca-Cola to UPS, snagglepuss Mar 2012 #3
ALEC is also writing very bad law. EC Mar 2012 #4
Yes...Can you imagine how many unhappy husbands and wives will be tempted to "feel" threatened? whathehell Mar 2012 #15
K&R! highplainsdem Mar 2012 #5
Best Good Read I've seen. K & R. This is what has to be revealed and fought state by state. freshwest Mar 2012 #6
Krugman is a Firebagger MannyGoldstein Mar 2012 #7
Thank you Manny Doctor_J Mar 2012 #16
Blood on NRA and ALEC hands da_decider Mar 2012 #8
Only in front of a jury of knuckle-dragging yahoos Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #10
There are a lot of abelenkpe Mar 2012 #21
That's about half the USA da_decider Mar 2012 #23
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2012 #9
K&R Webster Green Mar 2012 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Webster Green Mar 2012 #12
For the record 99th_Monkey Mar 2012 #13
I have been trying to tell the gungeon denizens this Doctor_J Mar 2012 #14
I was run out of dodge (wild west gundgeon) for implying ALEC was Right Wing, and bad. Dragonfli Mar 2012 #22
K&R for this in depth perspective! This shines a light on the core/fundamental nature of ALEC. n/t hue Mar 2012 #17
wish I could rec this 100 times! robinlynne Mar 2012 #18
Major General Smedley Butler, you are hereby invoked. 99th_Monkey Mar 2012 #19
Law being written by corporations with no regard for best interest of citizens. K & R!!! mother earth Mar 2012 #20

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
3. "ALEC and its supporters — a roster that includes many companies, from AT&T and Coca-Cola to UPS,
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 11:48 PM
Mar 2012

that have so far managed to avoid being publicly associated with the hard-right agenda"

How true that is. Great article. Thanks for posting


EC

(12,287 posts)
4. ALEC is also writing very bad law.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 11:51 PM
Mar 2012

Their language in these laws are so loosely written with many loop-holes. Like in the SYG laws it says if you "feel" threatened - how is that proven? A feeling...really?

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
15. Yes...Can you imagine how many unhappy husbands and wives will be tempted to "feel" threatened?
Reply to EC (Reply #4)
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 08:58 AM
Mar 2012
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
7. Krugman is a Firebagger
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 12:02 AM
Mar 2012

and increasingly irrelevant.

He doesn't understand that *pragmatic* Democrats have to capitulate nonstop.

Sincerely,

Third-Way Manny

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
16. Thank you Manny
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 09:22 AM
Mar 2012

for some much-needed perspective. These wild-eyed liberals who think that people deserve health care, safe air and water, and a fair tax structure need to be taught pragmatism. If God didn't want us to backpedal, he wouldn't have given us eyes in the back of our heads.

da_decider

(104 posts)
8. Blood on NRA and ALEC hands
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 12:05 AM
Mar 2012

ALEC and NRA crooked lobbyists are the actual murderers. We have to focus on fighting NRA and ALEC not Zimmerman. Face it, Zimmerman can easily argue "Stand Your Ground".

Response to Newsjock (Original post)

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
14. I have been trying to tell the gungeon denizens this
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 08:54 AM
Mar 2012

The same malignant bastards pushing the SYG and other wild west initiatives are also busting unions, purging voter rolls, killing public schools, and pushing for more health care deform. Sadly, their typical answer is, "I only care about gun "control"".

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
22. I was run out of dodge (wild west gundgeon) for implying ALEC was Right Wing, and bad.
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 06:52 PM
Mar 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/117223738
I kept getting post hidden for mentioning it then challenged after I could't post.

So I wrote an OP - bad Idea, I have trouble calling a heart a club if you know what I mean, recipe for trouble calling right wing right wing in the wrong place.

And I even knew better than to say the obvious about the NRA (I could imagine the thin skin over daring to call the NRA right wing)

I got the message - No Ops about ALEC being bad over there, it's kinda like an annex to a "less Democratic" site.
Don't let the door hit your liberal ass on the way out basically was the last post to me.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=24461

Not sure if I'm banned from the sub forum or not, they got pretty angry tho.

hue

(4,949 posts)
17. K&R for this in depth perspective! This shines a light on the core/fundamental nature of ALEC. n/t
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 10:16 AM
Mar 2012
 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
19. Major General Smedley Butler, you are hereby invoked.
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 02:36 PM
Mar 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

We thank you and pray that we may be as creative
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