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Uncle Joe

(58,419 posts)
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 01:12 PM Jun 2018

Dems are unified on immigration now. Will they still be when Trump is gone?



(snip)

But I feel unease too, because maybe that’s not what the Democratic uproar signals at all. Maybe the family separation issue is a cudgel that’s useful for attacking the Trump administration but which, as a principle, will be abandoned as soon as Democrats retake power in 2021, 2025, or beyond.

I don’t say that to draw an equivalence between the parties; we have every reason to expect that Democrats will adopt a more humane policy toward immigrants than Trump has. To some extent, from a voter’s perspective, that’s all that matters. I’m not making a “there’s actually zero difference between good and bad things” argument.

But we’ve seen this play before. As the political scientist Michael Heaney and sociologist Fabio Rojas document in their book Party in the Street, the main things that killed the antiwar movement in the US in the 2000s were Democratic victories in the 2006 midterms and the 2008 presidential election.

Once Democrats controlled Congress, and especially once they controlled the presidency, the energy and fervor behind ending the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq dissipated; Democratic partisans no longer had much interest in waging that fight when the political enemies were, increasingly, their own.

(snip)

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/6/20/17479756/family-separation-democrats-immigration-border-security-obama-trump




A thought provoking read.
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Uncle Joe

(58,419 posts)
2. Or a friendly reminder as to the importance of all Americans staying engaged on critical issues
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 03:00 PM
Jun 2018

of conscious and substance well after the elections no matter the victor (s) in said political contest.

Because if we don't these type tragedies will generally just fluctuate with be the best case scenario of being in temporary remission.





 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
3. Depends on what thoughts the author intends to provoke,
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 03:12 PM
Jun 2018

Its pretty clear.

And while it's demeaning Dems,, the author also takes a big ol swipe at ...Obama!

I'm calling this piece out for playing one side against the other..
This biased & baiting form of journalism should be removed

Uncle Joe

(58,419 posts)
4. It's factual history regarding the people, their political perceptions and its' affect on policies.
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 03:26 PM
Jun 2018

Sorry for your discomfort.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
5. Sure are a lot of FACTS thrown around lately..
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 03:30 PM
Jun 2018

The Dems & Obama.
Keep your hit piece.

Bet your're really not sorry at all

This article needs to be flushed..

Uncle Joe

(58,419 posts)
6. I prefer facts, I find it more challenging
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 03:36 PM
Jun 2018

trying to debate without having them.

I am sorry that you feel the way you do, that was sincere.

Uncle Joe

(58,419 posts)
8. I would hope any author would carefully choose their facts.
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 03:44 PM
Jun 2018

If the facts are incorrect, then what is your rebuttal other than sitting on a toilet or "trash thread?"

You present no facts.

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