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nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 06:45 AM Dec 2017

Evangelical Christians 'uncritical' in support for Trump, senior bishop says

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/28/evangelical-christians-uncritical-in-support-for-donald-trump-says-paul-bayes-bishop-liverpool

Evangelical Christians 'uncritical' in support for Trump, senior bishop says

Harriet Sherwood Religion correspondent

@harrietsherwood

Thu 28 Dec ‘17 00.01 GMT Last modified on Thu 28 Dec ‘17 00.55 GMT

A senior Church of England bishop has lambasted conservative evangelical Christians in the US for their “uncritical support” of Donald Trump, urging them to reflect on how their endorsement of the president relates to their faith. Paul Bayes, the bishop of Liverpool, said “self-styled evangelicals” risked bringing the word evangelical into disrepute, and added there was no justification for Christians contradicting God’s teaching to protect the poor and the weak.

Bayes told the Guardian: “Some of the things that have been said by religious leaders seem to collude with a system that marginalises the poor, a system which builds walls instead of bridges, a system which says people on the margins of society should be excluded, a system which says we’re not welcoming people any more into our country. Whenever people say those kinds of things, they need to be able to justify that they’re saying those things as Christians, and I do not believe it’s justifiable.”

He said he regretted that “people who call themselves evangelical in the US seem to be uncritically accepting” positions taken by Trump and his allies. “Some quite significant so-called evangelical leaders are uncritically supporting people in ways that imply they are colluding or playing down the seriousness of things which in other parts of their lives [they] would see as really important,” Bayes added.

He stressed that not all evangelicals were Trump supporters, saying there were “many, many Christians who are trying to proclaim the gospel as we’ve received it, even if that means political leaders have to be challenged”.
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Bayes, who has been bishop of Liverpool since 2014, said: “If people want to support rightwing populism anywhere in the world, they are free to do so. The question is, how are they going to relate that to their Christian faith? And if what I believe are the clear teachings of the gospel about love for all, the desire for justice and for making sure marginalised and defenceless people are protected, if it looks as though those teachings are being contradicted, then I think there is a need to say so.”

Bayes was speaking to mark the launch of a new Christian charity, which he is chairing, aimed at eliminating discrimination based on sexuality or gender.
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Evangelical Christians 'uncritical' in support for Trump, senior bishop says (Original Post) nitpicker Dec 2017 OP
The Cult of Trump Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #1
I agree with the bishop, but his supporters don't care because... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2017 #2
"bringing the word evangelical into disrepute" Martin Eden Dec 2017 #3
Couple weeks ago guest minister did a call to evangelism dembotoz Dec 2017 #7
"uncritical" pretty much sums up their style of thought milestogo Dec 2017 #4
Lemmings....nt 2naSalit Dec 2017 #5
They are going to be hurt soon Corgigal Dec 2017 #6
It comes down to money. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #8
Conservative evangelical Christians in the US are a hate group dalton99a Dec 2017 #9
Evangelical christians are faux christians who are still the same a$$holes they were before kimbutgar Dec 2017 #10
Branch Trumpvidians all bent out of shape about this 47of74 Dec 2017 #11

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,858 posts)
2. I agree with the bishop, but his supporters don't care because...
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 07:02 AM
Dec 2017

... they're right-wing authoritarians.

RWA attitudes were the best indication that someone would support Trump, supposedly.

They don't care so much if a "strong leader" doesn't reflect their values personally. Their focus is that the leader will cram their values down the throats of the general population.

Look at the questions in this RWA quiz:
https://openpsychometrics.org/tests/RWAS/

Examples of RWA beliefs:

"Our country desperately needs a mighty leader who will do what has to be done to destroy the radical new ways and sinfulness that are ruining us."

"Our country will be destroyed someday if we do not smash the perversions eating away at our moral fiber and traditional beliefs."

They would support Satan as long as he forced their beliefs/values on everyone else.

Martin Eden

(12,875 posts)
3. "bringing the word evangelical into disrepute"
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 08:10 AM
Dec 2017

That ship sailed before Trump came along.

Now they are more nakedly exposing their hypocrisy.

dembotoz

(16,844 posts)
7. Couple weeks ago guest minister did a call to evangelism
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 09:37 AM
Dec 2017

And he meant it in the good old fashioned way.. felt rather uncomfortable. Mainstream Methodist congregation so not a crazed thumper. My how times have changed..

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
6. They are going to be hurt soon
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 09:37 AM
Dec 2017

Some people don't have empathy because their temporal lobes are damaged. Pain is coming their way, the only thing we on DU have is we're aware of what's happening and are trying to protect our family and friends. They are too busy trying to blame others for their failings, but aren't aware the real problems are coming from above their status.

I think lots of people, or maybe 20 percent of voters are going to be shocked. They might not tell us that, but their actions will.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
8. It comes down to money.
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 09:39 AM
Dec 2017

Greed. Safeguarding the exempt status, letting them get away with participating in politics while keeping their tax exempt status, etc. It's about money.

dalton99a

(81,599 posts)
9. Conservative evangelical Christians in the US are a hate group
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 11:36 AM
Dec 2017

whose leaders are motivated by personal greed and political power.

They couldn't care less about Jesus or what Jesus said

kimbutgar

(21,211 posts)
10. Evangelical christians are faux christians who are still the same a$$holes they were before
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 01:02 PM
Dec 2017

They were born again.

Whenever I meet someone who’s says they are evangelical or born again I say to them “you’re the word of money not Jesus type Christian.”. Left them speechless the four times I’ve said it.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
11. Branch Trumpvidians all bent out of shape about this
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 01:17 PM
Dec 2017

I saw this gem that a Branch Trumpvidian posted on facebook in response to the CNN story...



He's not an idol worshiper? What does he think his support of the orange fornicate face is then?

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