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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 08:41 PM Dec 2017

Calling someone 'Pocahontas' is actually a compliment, not an insult.

By Amy Goodman and Tom Moynihan

http://rabble.ca/columnists/2017/11/calling-someone-pocahontas-actually-compliment-not-insult

If Trump were a reader of history, he might know that calling someone "Pocahontas" is actually a compliment, not an insult. Pocahontas was a real person who displayed courage and conviction in her very short life. She was born around 1595 in the Tidewater region of what is now called Virginia, and was named Matoaka, then nicknamed Pocahontas. Her father was named Powhatan, which also was the name of the affiliation of 30 or so Algonquin tribes in the region. According to one account, she saved English colonist John Smith from execution in 1607. In 1995, Disney released a blockbuster animated film based on that story.

"Most Americans at this point understand her as a Disney character," Mary Kathryn Nagle told us on the Democracy Now! news hour. Nagle is a citizen of Cherokee Nation and an attorney who works to restore tribal sovereignty and jurisdiction. "Her real true story has been commodified and retold in a false narrative that celebrates her union with her abuser. She was a survivor of a form of violence, of colonial violence, at a time when native women were primary targets, because the colonial powers who came over here from 1492 and even past 1776 knew that a primary way of destroying a tribal nation, an Indigenous nation, is to attack the women."

Matoaka, or Pocahontas, actively sought peace between her Indigenous people and the white, European colonists. In 1613, she was kidnapped and held prisoner at Jamestown. During captivity, she converted to Christianity and later married John Rolfe, a prominent tobacco grower. Rolfe took her to England, where she died at the age of 20 or 21. She was buried in Gravesend, England, and her remains have never been located.

The abduction of Matoaka/Pocahontas has current parallels. The disappearance of native women from the oil boom fields of North Dakota and the Canadian tar sands region is an ongoing and underreported epidemic. Olivia Lone Bear, a 32-year-old mother of five from the Mandan, Hidatsa and Arikara Nation in North Dakota, has been missing since October 24. She is just one of hundreds who have gone missing.
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Calling someone 'Pocahontas' is actually a compliment, not an insult. (Original Post) Ken Burch Dec 2017 OP
It SHOULD be; it clearly wasn't MEANT to BE hlthe2b Dec 2017 #1
I know, and the article makes that clear that Trump doesn't know that. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #3
That's far too subtle for Trump PJMcK Dec 2017 #2
That's clearly not the intent of the article. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #4
Understood and agreed PJMcK Dec 2017 #5
I'm absolutely in agreement that nothing Trump does should ever be normalized. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #6
Mr. "high IQ" and Ivy League grad doesn't know anything about a lot. BigmanPigman Dec 2017 #7
Agreed. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #11
A Native name used as an insult becomes not just an insult RandomAccess Dec 2017 #8
She's talking about owning the slur. If it's owned, it can be turned and used in the fight-back. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #12
Bullshit RandomAccess Dec 2017 #13
No, no it's not. helmedon1974 Dec 2017 #9
I agree with you in how it's used. The idea here is to own the slur Ken Burch Dec 2017 #10
 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
3. I know, and the article makes that clear that Trump doesn't know that.
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 08:46 PM
Dec 2017

It was about owning the slur.

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
2. That's far too subtle for Trump
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 08:45 PM
Dec 2017

Face it. Trump meant the use of the name as an ethnic slur. There's no other way to interpret it. Any other perspective is meant to deflect and hide the true nature of Trump's racism.

Plus, he's an idiot.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
4. That's clearly not the intent of the article.
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 08:47 PM
Dec 2017

The article actually challenges and defeats Trump's intent.

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
5. Understood and agreed
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 08:51 PM
Dec 2017

Thanks for posting the link, Ken Burch. It's quite an interesting and well-written article. I did understand the point of the column.

I cannot resist an opportunity, however, to make certain that Trump's slurs do not become normalized. It's my own little fetish as part of the Resistance.

Have a good weekend!

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
6. I'm absolutely in agreement that nothing Trump does should ever be normalized.
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 08:57 PM
Dec 2017

May you also have a good weekend.

BigmanPigman

(51,593 posts)
7. Mr. "high IQ" and Ivy League grad doesn't know anything about a lot.
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 09:26 PM
Dec 2017

American history, the government/civics, etc. Bowling Green and the Andrew Jackson to name a few. HE IS A FUCKING MORON!

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
8. A Native name used as an insult becomes not just an insult
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 09:27 PM
Dec 2017

but a racial slur.

Amy Goodman should know better than this. I'm incensed and furious.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
12. She's talking about owning the slur. If it's owned, it can be turned and used in the fight-back.
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 02:55 AM
Dec 2017

She isn't DEFENDING Trump here...she's pointing out how idiotic he is.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
13. Bullshit
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 07:42 PM
Dec 2017

It's a stupid argument. I know she's not defending Trump -- she's wrong nonetheless. And she should know better. That ploy hasn't worked YET.

 

helmedon1974

(92 posts)
9. No, no it's not.
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 01:28 AM
Dec 2017

Not as it's been used. Not as it's meant. It's like calling an Indian Chief. Or a black man Kunta Kinte .
She was a pretty teen girl abducted and raped by Europeans. Yet still did the things we've heard about. Using her name as an insult, is itself an insult. Then to invoke it in front of a painting of Andrew Jackson...Trump knew what he was doing.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
10. I agree with you in how it's used. The idea here is to own the slur
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 02:54 AM
Dec 2017

and use it as a weapon against Trump and other oppressors.

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