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niyad

(113,560 posts)
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 02:17 PM Mar 2017

Trump did to Merkel what men do to women all the time

Trump did to Merkel what men do to women all the time


Men constantly ignore women – but most of the time no one notices it. Except, that is, when it happens on the world stage



A few years ago, my husband and I ran into a mutual acquaintance at a restaurant. This young man – a person who would surely identify as progressive – spent the entirety our interaction completely ignoring me. He spoke only to my husband; he wouldn’t even look at me when I asked a direct question. While it would be tempting to write off the exchange as simple rudeness, this brand of slight is familiar to most women. Perhaps it happens when you go to buy a car and the salesperson only speaks to your male partner. Or when you meet someone at a work event and they only introduce themselves to the male colleague beside you. Or, if you’re Angela Merkel, maybe the notoriously misogynist president of the United States refuses to shake your hand or even deign to look at you during a press conference. We hear quite a lot about explicit sexism like cat calls or discrimination, but less overt indignities can be just as infuriating – in part, because they’re so hard to explain to those who haven’t experienced them.

Aziz Ansari’s hit Netflix show, Master of None, had a brilliant episode dedicated to just this topic. Ansari’s character, Dev, spends the majority of the episode realizing how much sexism women have to deal with: from men following women home and flashing them on subways, to lewd comments on social media. But when Dev’s girlfriend, Rachel, points out that his director only introduced himself to the men at the table – ignoring the two women sitting there – he balks slightly. Surely, he says, there was some misunderstanding: The director was in a rush, or Rachel is reading too much into it.

When Dev finally admits that perhaps the interaction was gendered, Rachel explains why what happened was so painful: “There are lot of subtle little things that happen to me and all women, even in our little progressive world. And when somebody, especially my boyfriend, tells me I’m wrong without having any way of knowing my personal experience, it’s insulting.”

When I tweeted about Trump ignoring Merkel, and how familiar an experience it is to women, dozens chimed in. One said both she and her husband were journalists but men will generally only ask him about his work. Another noted that the bosses on her team are all women, but it’s the teenage male intern who gets the questions.The assumption, of course, is that the women in the room simply aren’t important enough to warrant attention or conversation. It’s a phenomenon I’ve noticed increases as women get older, and ever more invisible.

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/21/trump-did-to-merkel-what-men-do-to-women-all-the-time

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Trump did to Merkel what men do to women all the time (Original Post) niyad Mar 2017 OP
This is so right on. Laffy Kat Mar 2017 #1
and when women speak KT2000 Mar 2017 #2
you are, of course, absolutely correct. niyad Mar 2017 #3
Yep, I used to think I was surrounded by people who were hard of hearing. Pacifist Patriot Mar 2017 #4
I know!! KT2000 Mar 2017 #5
Astounding, isn't it? Pacifist Patriot Mar 2017 #9
It's rough when it happens Inside your own family. Duppers Mar 2017 #8
Thanks, OP, for posting this. nt raccoon Mar 2017 #6
As a guy, I notice it a lot when I'm with my wife Victor_c3 Mar 2017 #7
Same with personal space. JudyM Mar 2017 #10

KT2000

(20,588 posts)
2. and when women speak
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 02:43 PM
Mar 2017

they do not hear. I don't know how many times I have had to repeat things because it was obvious the male I was talking to did not process what I had said. This goes for meetings, customer service calls etc. Long ago I thought I was dealing with people who were not very bright but then learned it is a thing with some men. Actually my brother clued me in - when expressing my frustration about this he said - you have to understand, men don't listen to women.
Exceptions of course but it happens often.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,654 posts)
4. Yep, I used to think I was surrounded by people who were hard of hearing.
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 02:53 PM
Mar 2017

Or wondered if my voice sounded way louder to me than it did to everyone else. Until one day it dawned on me that I generally only had to repeat myself to males. Very eye opening realization.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
7. As a guy, I notice it a lot when I'm with my wife
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 05:19 PM
Mar 2017

A lot of people put their focus and eye contact on me and hardy focus on what my wife has to say or even give her a chance.

The thing with a lot of prejudices and sexism is a lot of it is done and perpetuated unconsciously. It's the way you saw you parents act and how you were treated growing up and it is how you unconsciously act. It takes a little bit of awareness and effort to change.

JudyM

(29,277 posts)
10. Same with personal space.
Fri Mar 24, 2017, 12:27 AM
Mar 2017

Ever notice how guys (strangers) are careful/aware of each other's space in close quarters like a crowded happy hour... but they'll bump into us, crowd us, etc, like nothing, when they're not flirting, I mean.

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