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milestogo

(16,829 posts)
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 10:43 PM Jan 2017

Trump and the Flawed Nature of US Democracy: An Interview With Noam Chomsky

Last edited Fri Jan 6, 2017, 08:54 AM - Edit history (2)

Thursday, January 05, 2017
By C.J. Polychroniou, Truthout | Interview

C.J. Polychroniou: Noam, I want to start by asking you to reflect on the following: Trump won the presidential election even though he lost the popular vote. In this context, if "one person, one vote" is a fundamental principle behind every legitimate model of democracy, what type of democracy prevails in the US, and what will it take to undo the anachronism of the Electoral College?

Noam Chomsky: The Electoral College was originally supposed to be a deliberative body drawn from educated and privileged elites. It would not necessarily respond to public opinion, which was not highly regarded by the founders, to put it mildly. "The mass of people ... seldom judge or determine right," as Alexander Hamilton put it during the framing of the Constitution, expressing a common elite view. Furthermore, the infamous 3/5th clause ensured the slave states an extra boost, a very significant issue considering their prominent role in the political and economic institutions. As the party system took shape in the 19th century, the Electoral College became a mirror of the state votes, which can give a result quite different from the popular vote because of the first-past-the-post rule -- as it did once again in this election. Eliminating the Electoral College would be a good idea, but it's virtually impossible as the political system is now constituted. It is only one of many factors that contribute to the regressive character of the [US] political system, which, as Seth Ackerman observes in an interesting article in Jacobin magazine, would not pass muster by European standards.

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To what extent is this presidential election a defining moment for Republicans and Democrats alike?

For the eight years of the Obama presidency, the Republican organization has hardly qualified as a political party. A more accurate description was given by the respected political analysts Thomas Mann and Norman Ornstein of the conservative American Enterprise Institute: the party became an "insurgent outlier -- ideologically extreme; contemptuous of the inherited social and economic policy regime; scornful of compromise; unpersuaded by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition."

Its guiding principle was: Whatever Obama tries to do, we have to block it, but without providing some sensible alternative. The goal was to make the country ungovernable, so that the insurgency could take power. Its infantile antics on the Affordable Care Act are a good illustration: endless votes to repeal it in favor of -- nothing. Meanwhile the party has become split between the wealthy and privileged "establishment," devoted to the interests of their class, and the popular base that was mobilized when the establishment commitments to wealth and privilege became so extreme that it would be impossible to garner votes by presenting them accurately. It was therefore necessary to mobilize sectors that had always existed, but not as an organized political force: a strange amalgam of Christian evangelicals -- a huge sector of the American population -- nativists, white supremacists, white working and lower middle class victims of the neoliberal policies of the past generation, and others who are fearful and angry, cast aside in the neoliberal economy while they perceive their traditional culture as being under attack. In past primaries, the candidates who rose from the base -- Bachmann, Cain, Santorum and the rest -- were so extreme that they were anathema to the establishment, who were able to use their ample resources to rid themselves of the plague and choose their favored candidate. The difference in 2016 is that they were unable to do it.

Read the rest: http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/38981-trump-and-the-flawed-nature-of-us-democracy-an-interview-with-noam-chomsky

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Trump and the Flawed Nature of US Democracy: An Interview With Noam Chomsky (Original Post) milestogo Jan 2017 OP
a paradox DonCoquixote Jan 2017 #1
Whenever I hear someone complain about political correctness milestogo Jan 2017 #2
This is a must read, milestogo. Thank you but it's copyrighted. hedda_foil Jan 2017 #3
Thanks. milestogo Jan 2017 #4

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
1. a paradox
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 11:33 PM
Jan 2017

"That's particularly true among middle-aged whites, mainly traceable to what are sometimes called "diseases of despair" (opioids, alcohol, suicide, etc.). A statistical analysis reported by the Economist found that these health metrics correlate with a remarkable 43 percent of the Republican Party's gains over the Democrats in the 2016 election, and remain significant and predictive even when controlling for race, education, age, gender, income, marital status, immigration and employment. These are all signs of severe collapse of much of the society, particularly in rural and working class areas. Furthermore, such initiatives have to be undertaken alongside of firm dedication to the rights and needs of those sectors of the population that have historically been denied rights and repressed, often in harsh and brutal ways."

What if the reason for these diseaes of despair is because they no longer can enjoy the "harsh and brutal ways" they used to treat people.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
2. Whenever I hear someone complain about political correctness
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 11:40 PM
Jan 2017

I suspect they are just angry that they can no longer get away with being openly sexist and bigoted. But maybe under Trump they can get away with it.

hedda_foil

(16,375 posts)
3. This is a must read, milestogo. Thank you but it's copyrighted.
Fri Jan 6, 2017, 02:24 AM
Jan 2017

So unless you're the author, it needs to be four paragraphs and a link to prevent potential copyright issues for the admins.

Here's the notice from the article.
Copyright, Truthout. May not be reprinted without permission.
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